Has Dan Inosanto Moved Away From JKD?

[Tant01]

Lol

Sounds like Mike's the one's been smoking something. Give it up Mike. Find something else to base your deluded sense of self-importance on. If anyone's been following an immature and predictable pattern it's been you. The one thing naive about me in all this has been my patience with your hypocritical, disguised as some sort of benevolence, condescending nonsense.

Feel free to explain this as well, Mr Freud. Heck, even if you stop right now, I'm sure it'll be just another means of to covering up your obvious insecurity.

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Any chance we can close this thread?

[Liberty]

It's the defense of the meek. Laughter at the truth. When the grown-ups point out the naive and inexperienced ramblings of youth, they pretend it doesn't sting.

See how personally it's taken, though?

Sounds like Mike's the one's been smoking something. Give it up Mike. Find something else to base your deluded sense of self-importance on. If anyone's been following an immature and predictable pattern it's been you. The one thing naive about me in all this has been my patience with your hypocritical, disguised as some sort of benevolence, condescending nonsense.

Feel free to explain this as well, Mr Freud. Heck, even if you stop right now, I'm sure it'll be just another means of to covering up your obvious insecurity.

[Happy Cat]

It sounds like Liberty has been smoking something at that party.

[Liberty]

Libby, it may have been an attempt at levity, but it's also a pretty predictable pattern. I mention borrowed wisdom and you defend it using still more borrowed wisdom. Mask it in whatever you like. The truth is pretty transparent. The claws have definitely found their home in you, grasshopper....

Ha! Ha! Ha! Man I am on the floor! That "still more borrowed wisdom" was the joke! Ha, ha, ha! The claws may have found their home alright, but I'm beginning to suspect you're the one feeling their tear! Ha, ha, ha, ha! And, Grasshopper, hunh? Boing, boing. boing...

As for the balance of your post, actually, I was just thinking on Mr. Inosanto.

You see me and some friends just finished seeing the movie “Gladiator,” again (and yes, we're sitting here cracking up at your post). Anyway, this time we saw the movie on-line. Movie was crystal clear and did not cost us a dime, as it was paid for by the ads on the site! Love the beginning – the battle for Germania, and all that – but not how the hero (Maximus) ends up, in spite of his humility, loyalty, etc.

It occurred to me the bad guy (Commodus - probably form all the shit he talked) in that movie reminds me of another fiction based on historical figures; a certain JKD “author’s” absolutely disgraceful, angering, but failed, in my eyes, attempt at butchering Mr. Inosanto’s impeccable character.

As much as I’ve enjoyed that book, I cannot stand it’s ending either… Wonder what the female version for Commodus is – Commode?

[Liberty]

[QUOTE=Happy Cat;286450]Liberty found this quote from Inosanto: "It is a misconception when people have claimed I have said he (Bruce) heavily advocated or practiced Filipino martial arts, he did not and I have never claimed this, but as a Filipino myself I feel that those arts definitely have value and should be practiced” (Dan Inosanto, “Secrets of Kung Fu” magazine, Issue 34, Hong Kong).

Again, good reserch Liberty.[QUOTE]

LOL! Yeah, I guess, but it's probably just going to set Mike on another rant. LOL!

[Tant01]

In the ten ring! LOL

Too much reading on the internet and not enough experience as of yet.
More articulate than the average 17 year old though i think. Over analyzing. Martial arts just arent that complicated and generally nor are people.

That's quotable!

I always liked the KISS approach to personal combat. Philosophy is all well and good but JKD simply simplifies.

[Ghost]

[YOUTUBE]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LVg1LMET46c[/YOUTUBE]

[Ghost]

I didnt see the post on Kali not flowing well with JKD. thats simply not true.
Kali has an unarmed system and the unarmed and armed systems are closely related. they flow into each other because of this, in fact large parts are identical but just lack the weapon.
If that isnt integration then i dont know what is. because all you have to do is move between striking systems.

More of a point that this you can do pretty much everything with sticks in your hands that you can without.

If someone is unarmed you can use boxing parrys with a stick to defend, you can punch with a stick in your hand, you can kick , knee and elbow.

Id put name on the saying that nothing could work better. kali will work with nearly any system be it flowing from armed to unarmed or using most of the other unarmed tools in conjunction with using sticks. Whats to stop you doing a round kick with sticks in your hands?

[Ghost]

Ghost writes: "I always thought of Dan as being the real JKD mastermind personally and not Bruce, though he wouldnt credit himself with this."

Ghost is right if what he means by JKD is JKD Consepts. But if he means Origonal JKD (and I do not think he does), or as some call it Jun Fan Gung Fu, then he is far off base.

Ghost has writen several times that Bruce is entierly unimportant and of little significance to him. Thats fine, and I find no fault in someone because they feel no conection to Bruce Lee or anyone else. And if you are not practicing Jun Fan, then why should you. If Sifu Dan is your guiding light, then you are right to acknowledge that.

I mean concepts.

When i post on here and appear to reject Bruce Lee its more because i find that alot of (not all) people get stuck in a tunnel vision mode trying to emulate him and be like him.
That to me is like being a covers band that only plays other peoples hits and although it sounds good still its just not the original and lacks any real thought or creativity on their part. Though its of course worth learning other songs from other great bands so worth studying but not in a way that gets you locked up in wanting to be someone else. Bruce Lee attracts these types.
When i was studying JKD for example at the Hoxton academy i was told to piss off to the Philipines and learn escrima from the canete family, and others, which i did, not from Dan, though i have also learnt from him.
My base is boxing and thai boxing not JKD, i have alot of respect for certain people in JKD as i do for people in other systems.
I dont really like this idea of having a guiding light, personally i have a few instructors, most of them have nothing to do with JKD and simply are at a very high level in their system.
I think many will fall into the Dan camp, Bruce Lee camp etc. To me there are no camps, just many instructors to go out there and find.
Though after all that i do have one instructor in the UK whois my main instructor in muay thai.

[Happy Cat]

There is nothing wrong with disagreing Mike. If we all agreed, there would be no need for martial arts.

[Happy Cat]

Ghost,

I did not say you could not be a better martial artist than your instructor. Go for it. But if you profess to be on the JKD "personal path", then Sifu Dan who is folowing such a personal path will be greater than you. Find your own path if your profesed philosophy is to find your own path. And if that is not your philosophy, then you are not even doing JKD consepts. You are just a follower on someone elsess path.

"Kali apears to be a part of Sifu's personal quest and is tied to his ethnic roots. Good for him. But for all of those who think they have incorporated Kali into the coriculum because "it flows so well with JKD" as some have said here, are off target. You are on that road becuse Sifu is on that road. You follow because he leads. You are not on your own jurney, you are on Sifu's jurrney. He is greater than you, and always will be while he folows his own path and you do not."


You know, I've tried my best to relate to what you have to say, at times I haven't done it so well, as you and I have discussed off line. But I read that post very carefully and to be honest I don't think there is much point in trying to hold further debate with you.

You are telling every JKD Concepts practictioner and instructor who believes the assumption that Kali flows well with JKD that they are...... "off target". And you do so after watching the art of Kali for six weeks. You'll have to forgive me if I say that you don't know the first thing about it.

You once accused me of offering an uninformed opinion of you, yet you presume to tell me that I do not follow my own path in the martial arts. You'll have to forgive me if I say that you don't know the first thing about me.

The only thing I seem to know about you is that you dearly love the art of Mr Bruce Lee, well so do I, I teach it and have done for over ten years. So I applaud your love of this art. What I can't really tolerate any more, is your absolute need to discredit anything and everything that differs a fraction from your own personal devotion to someone who died over 35 years ago.....and then accuse people of not being on their own path.

You and I just disagree, period.

I'm going training now, then I'm gonna settle in for the big fight, so over and out.

[Happy Cat]

Ghost writes: "I always thought of Dan as being the real JKD mastermind personally and not Bruce, though he wouldnt credit himself with this."

Ghost is right if what he means by JKD is JKD Consepts. But if he means Origonal JKD (and I do not think he does), or as some call it Jun Fan Gung Fu, then he is far off base.

Ghost has writen several times that Bruce is entierly unimportant and of little significance to him. Thats fine, and I find no fault in someone because they feel no conection to Bruce Lee or anyone else. And if you are not practicing Jun Fan, then why should you. If Sifu Dan is your guiding light, then you are right to acknowledge that.

[Ghost]

you shouldnt assume all of us that have studied JKD have learnt escrima primarily from Dan.
Also, you shouldnt assume you cant surpass your trainer.
A good trainer can teach you to be better than them
If the right person came along, Dan would be able to teach that person to be better than himself. All good instructors can do this.

IF it were the case that no one could be better than their instructor then every successive generation of martial artists would be worse than the last leaving us with a complete pile of crap in a few decades.