silat and JKD?

[strblast]

Hi everyone,

Has anyone ever heard of Malaysian Silat? One silat style from Malaysia has won the best perfromance in the Korean Martial Art Festival, has anyone heard about it?

JKD emphasizes the capabilities to fight in all the ranges, in Silat, the fighter is trained to fight in all the ranges, does Silat has similarities with the JKD concepts?

I hope Burton Richardson could pitch in his opinion.

Thanks

[sikal]

Originally posted by strblast
Hi everyone,

Has anyone ever heard of Malaysian Silat? One silat style from Malaysia has won the best perfromance in the Korean Martial Art Festival, has anyone heard about it?

I'm not Burton, but I'll throw my 2 cents in :-)

I don't know about that festival, but I've heard of Malaysian Silat. In fact, at last year's Kun Tao Silat de Thouars Family Gathering in Colorado, I had the immense pleasure of meeting Sheikh Shamsuddin who is an instructor of Silat Seni Gayong (a Malaysian system). He was excellent.

JKD emphasizes the capabilities to fight in all the ranges, in Silat, the fighter is trained to fight in all the ranges, does Silat has similarities with the JKD concepts?

All martial arts have similarities with JKD concepts (or vice versa) ... in a conceptual sense.

"Silat" is a *huge* term (like "Karate" or "Gung Fu") that encompasses hundreds (if not thousands) of fighting systems from Southeast Asia. It's impossible to say that "Silat" is any one thing.

There are systems that focus on groundfighting like Harimau, systems that focus on striking like Cimande, systems that focus on locking/breaking like Rikasan, internal systems like Nampon, etc.

The list goes on and on and on ...

Regards, Mike

[aseepish]

Malaysian Silat

Hi Strblast,

Where in Malaysia are you? Let me know if you ever come down to S'pore.

Unfortunately most of the silat I've seen here has been of the watered-down "sport" variety. But as I've said on another thread, even the TKD is watered-down here.

Like Sikal said, there are many different styles - dozens if not hundreds - of Malaysian silat alone. From what I've read, what you find in the big cities is more likely to be sport silat (that very term almost brings me to tears).

Check a local bookstore or library. There are probably many publications in Malay. Even if you don't read Malay, the pictures might be of some value, especially if you have a friend who can translate the captions.

Good luck with your training!

Tony

[strblast]

on Malaysian Silat

Hi everyone,

Actually the question about Silat was suggested by a friend of mine who is an instructor of Silat Kuntau (Kuntaw) Jawa, he wanted to see if the members of the forum has heard of Malaysian Silat.

True, Silat is a huge art encompasing various styles and combat methods.

Silat Gayung which originated from Malaysia is a very effective style of silat in sense practicality in all the ranges and weaponary.

In Malaysia, some of the famous styles of Silat are Gayung, Lincah, Sendeng, Cekak, Cindai Putih, Cimande and many more.

There are also styles which has never been displayed to the public's eyes such as Tapak Seratus, Siku 12, Selendang Merah, Tapak Suci and so on.

Does anyone has an experience with Malaysia Silat that they wishes to share with the rest of the forum members? If so, please do so.

[Jack Knife]

Well, my instructor will be at the Mande Muda gathering at the Inosanto Academy this year. He will be asking if people will be interested in attending a Malaysian Bersilat seminar. If there are enough people, my instructor will fly his guru in. He's supposed to be really good. Sorry, I don't have anymore information at this time, but if anyone is interested, drop by the Inosanto Academy during the Jagabaya gathering.

[manofleisure]

Silat will cover all ranges in fighting including weapons work.

It will also depend on the style in which you train.

Some styles have cover certain ranges more in depth.

[Tim McFatridge]

Greetings all. I jsut wanted to throw my 2 cents in as well. I have some training in Mande Muda Pencak Silat/ Maenpo Silat and I think they are both great. Mande Muda has been called the JKD of Indonesian Silat because it has some many different styles that make it up. They do cover all aspects of fighting including weapons. I really like the Sarong techniques that are in them. The late Pendakar Herman Suwanda's dad was the creator of the Cipecut Silat Sarong system and it is very cool stuff. It is considered the whip are of Indonesia. Silat just like "JKD" flows very well from one range to another. I actually have an article posted on our website which talks about Cipecut Silat Sarong...I copied it from Martial Arts Legends: Exotic Arts from Around The World Feb.1997.

[yoshinkan]

Silat French

HI all,

thanks you to be so open minded people. I like this forum.
unfortunately, not all forums are created equal...

I was practicing Silat with Charles Joussot in France. It was not the traditional Silat, but rather a hybrid form for security and Body Guard specificities.

Face any situation. I was a 'real fighter' in the real world before I ever came to a dojo, so it helped me a lot.

In silat, our school, the mentality was really something exceptional. A lot of people used to register and leave after 2 months, because the training was really hard, specially with conditionning training which was taking the major part of our training.

Silat is great, to apply in real life. I do not know all the other school.
My style was Seita Hati Terate, but with some addition from everywhere: Muay thai, boxing, Ju Jutsu.

It was like the JKD philosophy.

[jeff5]

Silat is not part of the JunFan/JKD curriculum, as it was taught to me. That being said, I like Silat quite a bit. The majority I've been exposed to is Maphilindo/Majapahit which is Guro Dan's blend of Kali/Silat. There are some moves which I personally wouldn't use, I don't find them practical or effecient, and in my opinion don't fit in with the structure or concepts behind JKD. But there are quite a few that do. Especially a lot of the Serak/Buhkti Negara that I've seen. I find that many of their techniques are strait forward, and they also seek to teach you the principles of what they do and allow you the freedom to flow, as opposed to limiting you and just teaching you techniques.

[SubQd]

Hi there, you know I have been reading these threads about "Pencak Silat" ("known generically as Pentjak Silat") dating all the way back to early 2001 to include videos about the different Instructors and different forms of Pencak Silat most people writing about it refer to it as just Silat so I thought I would put up a bit of information straight from the horses mouth about How is Silat taughtand the meaning of "Pencak Silat":

"RT: First, you have to understand what is meant by the name of the art, pentjak silat. Pentjak is just the training, the forms, the djurus, the exercises. Silat is the combat techniques. Without pentjak, you don't have silat. If you only have pentjak, you cannot fight. If you only know silat, you are not well grounded. You need to learn them together.
We start with training in pentjak by learning the djuru. A lot of people don't understand them. The djuru is the root of the tree. If a person wants to be healthy and proficient, he or she has to practice the djurus daily. But it doesn't matter how good you are at djurus, you still can't fight with them until you learn the next step.

At first, dujrus are practiced in a straight line, then a triangle, and lastly on the "platform". In the platform stage (sedoeroeng) you learn all the lankas and the smbutan. Lanka are the wheels under your car. The footwork, the stepping, the leg maneuvers. Lankas make the djurus come alive. Then there is the sambutan - sparring. Actual practice against single and mutiple opponents. This is a djuru application.

The best way to explain this is you guide, direct and corner your opponent, then you take care of him. But to do that, you need lankahs or steps. It's a spider weaving a web for the fly.

Then, there is silat. Silat is the fighting technique itself. You learn to apply all of your knowledge against opponents, develop your attributes, and so on."

"Rudy Ter Linden" Ladies and Gents.

Pencak Silat Ratu Adil - Rudy learned four complete systems: Soetji Hati, Serah, Tji Mande and Tji Kalong and took all of their unique qualities and combined them to become Pencak silat Ratu Adil.

If you would like a more complete story about this you can go to;

Http://www.martialhub.com/articals/terlinden.htm

if you can follow along with this, one of his students turned Instructor that is with him in this article as of 2005 he was teaching in Southern California they wrote and article about him here is the link http://www.boulevardsentinel.com/06-2005.htm now the articals name is "Teacher of Magic" and it is on the Right hand side of the page, the second from the bottom. There is also another one of his Students turned Instructor that had moved back east just shortly before Rudy decided to do the videos who still teaches this form along with Tai Chi, Qigong (Chi Kung & Chi Gong) Massage and Rehabilitative Therapies and there is another Instructor there with him teaching Kung Fu.

[SubQd]

Hi there, you know I have been reading these threads about "Pencak Silat" ("known generically as Pentjak Silat") dating all the way back to early 2001 to include videos about the different Instructors and different forms of Pencak Silat most people writing about it refer to it as just Silat so I thought I would put up a bit of information straight from the horses mouth about How is Silat taughtand the meaning of "Pencak Silat":

"RT: First, you have to understand what is meant by the name of the art, pentjak silat. Pentjak is just the training, the forms, the djurus, the exercises. Silat is the combat techniques. Without pentjak, you don't have silat. If you only have pentjak, you cannot fight. If you only know silat, you are not well grounded. You need to learn them together.
We start with training in pentjak by learning the djuru. A lot of people don't understand them. The djuru is the root of the tree. If a person wants to be healthy and proficient, he or she has to practice the djurus daily. But it doesn't matter how good you are at djurus, you still can't fight with them until you learn the next step.

At first, dujrus are practiced in a straight line, then a triangle, then a triangle, and lastly on the "platform". In the platform stage (sedoeroeng) you learn all the lankas and the smbutan. Lanka are the wheels under your car. The footwork, the stepping, the leg maneuvers. Lankas make the djurus come alive. The there is the sambutan - sparring. Actual practice against single and mutiple opponents. This is a djuru application.

The best way to explain this is you guide, direct and corner your opponent, then you take care of him. But to do that, you need lankahs or steps. It's a spider weaving a web for the fly.

Then, there is silat. Silat is the fighting technique itself. You learn to apply all of your knowledge against opponents, evelop your attributes, and so on."

"Rudy Ter Linden" Ladies and Gents

Pencak Silat Ratu Adil - Rudy learned four complete systems: Soetji Hati, Serah, Tji Mande and Tji Kalong and took all of their unique qualities and combined them to become Pencak silat Ratu Adil.

If you would like a more complete story about this you can go to;

Http://www.martialhub.com/articals/terlinden.htm

if you can follow along with this, one of his students turned Instructor with him in this article if he is still teaching I don't know now he was in Southern California they wrote and article about him last year http://www.boulevardsentinel.com/06-2005.htm now the is named Teacher of Magic and it is on the Right hand side of the page, the second from the bottom. There is also another one of his Students turned Instructor that had moved back east just shortly before Rudy decided to do the videos who still teaches this form along with Tai Chi, Qigong (Chi Kung & Chi Gong) Massage and Rehabilitative Therapies and there is another Instructor there with him for Kung Fu.

[yoshinkan]

Hi Subdq,

I just visited your websites, and I found my 2 Silat teachers:

Charles Joussot (France)Setia Hati From Master Turpijn (he was living in Holland.)
He was spending his time doing new weapons: look here: Our Weapons

Franck Ropers was also my teacher.

With the two guys, 3 years, 5 time a week.

Good job, I will explore your site when I have more time.

[Paco]

Hey Jack Knife, got any more details on the Mande Muda and Jagbaya Gatherings?

[SubQd]

yoshinkan

I was glad that you found you instructors in the articles, I have found when I talked with my daughters instructor here that alot of them trained in the same circles in the day, he had trained wiht the two that are in the article with Rudy. Talking about a small world now I think that pretty cool.

I just wish I could get her back down here training back one on one because she really progressed and boy did they push each other, I know she will keep ones on their toes.