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    Hi guys

    I've heard that bruce has some sayings about most of martial arts.

    for example he said: traditional karate has too many useless techniques. boxing doesn't use legs. wing chun techniques don't have enough power and ...

    i want to know if he had a saying about korean martial art taekwondo?

    or had he really fought a tkd guy as shown in "legend of bruce lee" tv series?

    thank you all

  • #2
    can somebody answer?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by sirhector300 View Post
      for example he said: traditional karate has too many useless techniques. boxing doesn't use legs. wing chun techniques don't have enough power and ...
      Bruce Lee had many documented observations on various martial arts. To the best of my knowledge, none of them included the statements above.

      As EF said he trained with Joon Rhee. He also held a reasonably strong interest in Hapkido, going on to cast two prominent exponents of the art in his movies as opponents: Hwang In Shik (Way of the Dragon) and Ji Han Jae (Game of Death).

      I remember Guro Inosanto saying that the kicking from Korean arts complimented the Northern Kung Fu systems Bruce Lee had been trained in, and were of particular interest because of their aesthetic value on screen.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Michael Wright View Post
        Bruce Lee had many documented observations on various martial arts. To the best of my knowledge, none of them included the statements above.
        .
        Could you tell me these statements?

        any of them about tkd?

        I forgotted to say that I have sources that supports the three statements i said. but forget it. tell me what u know.

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        • #5
          Bruce Lee had many observations about Karate, Boxing and Wing Chun. I have never read any commentary where he said Karate had "too many useless techniques", he just understood it's limitations. Boxing does use legs, very much so, its footwork is second to none and your punching momentum stems from the legs upwards. Bruce Lee understood this well, he was a huge fan of Boxing. Finally, he spent most of his formative years in the USA showing people just how powerful the art of Wing Chun was, so I don't understand where the last claim comes from. I'm not a Bruce Lee historian, but my point is that he didn't just throw out random generalisations like the ones you have quoted. His commentaries on the arts were intelligent and articulate.

          These observations and commentaries are documented in several well known and worldwide bestselling publications. Start with The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, and go from there.

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          • #6
            So did he really fought a tkd master as shown in tv series "legend of bruce lee"?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
              I am unaware of any fight with a TKD master that was of any consequence. He probably did spar Joon Rhee and I'm sure he had the opportunity to spar some TKD people.
              Oh no sir, I know jhoon rhee was his close friend and they had many friendly fights. but no. my mean is what was shown in the TV series. check this out:

              http://www.youtubemp4.com/watch?v=UuRGCwfmEJM

              it's a fight scene in the 50 episode TV series "legend of bruce lee". He fights two tkd guys. but I dont think of it to be true. whats your opinion?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
                I am unaware of any fight with a TKD master that was of any consequence. He probably did spar Joon Rhee and I'm sure he had the opportunity to spar some TKD people.
                Oh no sir, I know jhoon rhee was his close friend and they had many friendly fights. but no. my mean is what was shown in the TV series. check this out:

                http://www.youtubemp4.com/watch?v=UuRGCwfmEJM

                it's a fight scene in the 50 episode TV series "legend of bruce lee". He fights two tkd guys. but I dont think of it to be true. whats your opinion?

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                • #9
                  Bruce Lee shared some insights and trainings with Jhoon Rhee " A taekwondo master , and father of American Taekwondo " .
                  Bruce also use one of the taekwondo guys in his film " Way of the Dragon " Wong In sik .

                  FYI. Han Jae on Game of death is Hapkido not Taekwondo


                  BadBlood

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                  • #10
                    If you look at his fight in game of death, it seems to be just normal punching and kicking from a southpaw stance.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Michael Wright View Post
                      Bruce Lee had many observations about Karate, Boxing and Wing Chun. I have never read any commentary where he said Karate had "too many useless techniques", he just understood it's limitations. Boxing does use legs, very much so, its footwork is second to none and your punching momentum stems from the legs upwards. Bruce Lee understood this well, he was a huge fan of Boxing. Finally, he spent most of his formative years in the USA showing people just how powerful the art of Wing Chun was, so I don't understand where the last claim comes from. I'm not a Bruce Lee historian, but my point is that he didn't just throw out random generalisations like the ones you have quoted. His commentaries on the arts were intelligent and articulate.

                      These observations and commentaries are documented in several well known and worldwide bestselling publications. Start with The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, and go from there.
                      From Bruce Lee's Commentaries On The Martial Way (Edited by John Little);

                      Page 37: On the difference between Chinese boxing and Western boxing
                      "Well, first, we use the feet. And then we use the elbow. You name it man, we use it!"

                      Page 40: Pros and Cons
                      Western Boxing
                      Pro "1. Efficient Footwork"

                      It would seem then that Bruce was referring to the fact boxers don't kick, but their footwork is "efficient".

                      Page 40: Karate
                      Con: "Need to stress greater mobility and aliveness."

                      And later - on the "classical arts" (which many Karate styles are) pages 332-334;

                      "Classical forms dull your creativity, condition and render frozen your sense of freedom. You no longer be, but mearly do."

                      "Classical drills deaden!"


                      Page 41: Tae Kwon Do
                      Pro: "1. Kicking flexibility 2. Turning heel kick 3. Head ram"
                      Con: "1. Lacks contact 2. Lacks broken rythem and aliveness 3. Lacks variety"

                      Page 43: Gung Fu - Wing Chun
                      Con: 1. Over simplification 2. Lacks variety

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hammerhead View Post
                        From Bruce Lee's Commentaries On The Martial Way (Edited by John Little);

                        Page 37: On the difference between Chinese boxing and Western boxing
                        "Well, first, we use the feet. And then we use the elbow. You name it man, we use it!"

                        Page 40: Pros and Cons
                        Western Boxing
                        Pro "1. Efficient Footwork"

                        It would seem then that Bruce was referring to the fact boxers don't kick, but their footwork is "efficient".

                        Page 40: Karate
                        Con: "Need to stress greater mobility and aliveness."

                        And later - on the "classical arts" (which many Karate styles are) pages 332-334;

                        "Classical forms dull your creativity, condition and render frozen your sense of freedom. You no longer be, but mearly do."

                        "Classical drills deaden!"


                        Page 41: Tae Kwon Do
                        Pro: "1. Kicking flexibility 2. Turning heel kick 3. Head ram"
                        Con: "1. Lacks contact 2. Lacks broken rythem and aliveness 3. Lacks variety"

                        Page 43: Gung Fu - Wing Chun
                        Con: 1. Over simplification 2. Lacks variety
                        Hi Dear Hammerhead

                        thanks for the answer
                        I get the point.

                        so where can I download "Bruce Lee's Commentaries On The Martial Way"?

                        i want it as pdf ebook.
                        can u upload it for me?

                        thanks again

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                        • #13
                          I think you can download it from here:

                          Search Results for Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lees Commentaries On The Martial Way - Download Cave

                          and share it for me.

                          i got really interested in this book.

                          I would quickly download it if I could. but unfortunately I can't download it from the address I said.

                          thanks.

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                          • #14
                            I think you can download it from here:



                            and share it for me.

                            i got really interested in this book.

                            I would quickly download it if I could. but unfortunately I can't download it from the address I said.

                            thanks.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sirhector300 View Post
                              I think you can download it from here:



                              and share it for me.

                              i got really interested in this book.

                              I would quickly download it if I could. but unfortunately I can't download it from the address I said.

                              thanks.
                              Way cool site!

                              The book was purchased for me as a gift. I recommend all John Little's work on Bruce Lee. He's an excellent writer & editor. I have two copies of many of his books...one for my collection & one I dog-ear & underline in yellow.

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