TaeKwonDo

[dwoolman]

I think too many people on this forum underestimate TaeKwonDo or how a TKD guy would fair against a BJJ guy. I think many of you watch too much UFC or similar programs.
I take TaeKwonDo and JKD, there have been many occasions when I am sparring in my JKD class that my kicking has simply dominated my opponent. Maybe its because I'm young but my point is too many of you are always saying that TKD is useless on the street. Depends how good you are really........

[thekuntawman]

i see two kinds of people who underestimate tae kwon do.
the first one is the one who puts all tkd together, like the commercialize belt factory with the hardcore tkd place. its easy to do when there is no really good tkd in your city, becuase all the tkd you see is weak.

the second one is the sofa warrior who never fihgts so he looks at anything that doesn't "look" like streetfihgting (what he thinks streetfighting looks like), and he says "that wont work in the fight". and since he never fights he doesnt know what to appreciate and what to look down on.

but if you take a guy with good strength and power, fast movement and reflex, and a tolerance for feeling pain, he will dominate a fight it doesnt matter what kind of art or who he learns from. i use to think bad about tkd until i realize that almost everybodys kicking technique has some kind of influece of tae kwon do, and after fighting some very strong tae kwon do fighteres in competition. today i criticize the teaching method and application (or if there is none at all) of the fighting techniques. instead of a style or teacher.

[Bruce_Fan]

Hey Dwoolman

Hey!

Didn't you know that all the guys who post on the MMA forum are all experts on everything????????

Shame on you for doubting them. lol

Personally, I have never seen such a gathering of complete experts in one place.

As for TKD, I am not sure how practical it is, but that's my opinion.
Maybe it's because I have never seen a really good TKD fighter.

Either way, don't dare question the guys on the MMA forum. lol
It's a good thing you decided to post on the JKD forum.


Take care
Bruce_Fan

[mild7]

Taikwandoe is the best marshall art.

Their kiks are better than the thai style. My father told me the side-kik is the longest kik, and noone can come close to a good Taikwandoe warrior. The Thai fighters would try to roundkik, but my father says the sidekik will kill them first. My father also told me the jumping bak-kik to the troat leads to instant brainstem lacerasion.

When I grow up, I want to be a great Taikwandoe warrior and beat up Hoyce Gracie.

[J.K.]

I took tkd for about 8 years on and off - achieved black belt status. Then I got into more combat oriented MA's. Looking back - i felt as though those 8 years of TKD where biggest waiste of my life. No offense, but its one of least practical arts that I have ever seen. Sure you develop excellent kicking skills, but what happens when the person closes the gap? All those years of kata, point sparring and belts - what a waiste. By the way I used to think TKD was the best art until - I branched out and discovered practical fighting systems. There are some TKD people that I wouldn't want to mess with but I rather study a art that is easy to apply in real life situations.

[sidder]

My thoughts exactly, man. The methodology is just unsound. The kicks are faggy compared to muay thai and the punching stuff is archaic. And realistic fight scenarios just aren't analyzed and practiced in the "dojang". The net result is usually a false sense of security. I know because I studied at a prominant tkd school in Ontario. When, after years of practice, I took my tkd black belt to a kickboxing school, they cleaned my clock. TKD just doesn't equip you with the fundamental skills required to deal with a rough & tumble.

[thekuntawman]

the arguement of this style is better than that one is a foolish one that you can expect from children and beginners. it shows a lack of experience and maturity in the martial arts.

so you got your black belt in tae kwon do and went to the kickbxoing gym and they kick your ass. and this means tae kwon do is no good? maybe it mean the tae kwon do fighter was not good enough. can you beat every man in that tae kwon do school? are you a new tkd black belt? if you take your muay thai to the tkd school and they kick your ass there will you go back to tkd? visit a philippine martial arts school, and get your ass kick there, does that mean muay thai is crap to.

you cant judge a fighting style by how well you did. how arrogant of you to say that just because i couldnt make this art work nobody can. i have a friend with no martial arts and i bet he can beat the hell out of most of the guys on this forum, so that mean every martial arts is no good including my own style.

"tae kwon do kicks are faggy". no weak kicks are faggy. but even a weak kick if they hit you on the nuts will make you faggy, not how they look. that saying lets me know you did not fight any quality fighters of tae kwon do.

there was a great fighter in my day name billy blanks who was tae kwon do. i can bet even today in his old age NONE of you here can beat him. he is to fast, to strong, and very smart fight fighter. he can hit you with even a carthweel and knock you out. or the fanciest jump kick, becuase yes you can move in to a guy who is going to thrwo a jump kick, but you have to be fast enough to do it, and you need the timing. you cant get that kind of timing fighting against anybody except somebody with that king of speed.

i am not a tkd person, but i fought and saw lots of great tkd fighters. i saw the muay thai, silat, shoring ryu, kyukushinkai, different kung fu style, FIGHTING, and none of them is more superior to the other one. now i have seen and fought against fighters who suck and fighters who are very dangerous. but it was not because of what technque he learn, but who taught him, how hard he trains, and how much knwledge and courage does he have.

since everyone want to make genral posts here and stereotype, let me say that when you make immature comments like to blame you old style becuase somebody kick your butt, you make your new teacher looked bad and your new style, becuase they didnt correct you.

[sidder]

Listem, brainiac! I gave a relatively coherent argument as to why tkd is intrinsically inferior. The universal lack of boxing skills, the absence of shin conditioning and full-contact (non-point) training (with leg kicks and boxing), etc.... If you think that no style is better than the next than you're even more obtuse than I thought. Styles like muay thai kyokushin are just intrinsically more martial than tkd. It's not even a matter of, "well, it's only this school or that fighter, but not the whole style..." - It is the style. The pommse katas, the poing-sparring, the unrealistic striking and blocking drills, etc.... But if you think otherwise, you should check out the undefeated North American heavyweight tkd champ, Jean Frenette fights in the K-1. Though they didn't last long, they best exemplify the fantasy bubble that you're living in, jerkass!

[thekuntawman]

okey, i can play that too

i know you have never been in competition fighting, you dont talk like one. you talk like a 13 years old kid who is up late because you told mom you are doing homework, so now that you are safe you can say rude things to people you know you never doing to meet. i bet when you when to that kickboxing school, you talk so much crap before you got there, then you found out the 300 dollar black belt you bought means nothing so instead of saying "I suck" you said "my EX teacher sucks" the guy said sign this contract, you know you dont have the money or the commitment to finish the contract but you do it anyway, since you are afraid to say "let me think about it". after all they just kick your ass! but you are surely one of those guys who goes to kickboxing class, kick the bag, lif tweights, do some "drills", follow the trainer around the ring and throw shots, and maybe read some ads for a competition, and your excuse that you dont go is "i'm not ready" or "not realistic enough". sid-whatever, you need to grow up. you aint been around long enough to know what is good martial arts and what is bad martial arts only what you read, what you saw in the ufc, and how something sounds when you open your mouth before the oreo cookies and cream of wheat fall out. get a life, pencil neck boy

[thekuntawman]

everybody, mr mousel
i apologize you have to read that delete it if you want.

i dont get into this kind of thing to much, but tonight i feel like acting like a computer nerd. >) i ment to offer some advice to somebody i thought can use, but maybe i better stick to "fma"

[thekuntawman]

oh and jean frenette is a light weight, never a champion, i was in the same divison with him, i never saw him win a fight. i dont think he ever going to do anykind of full contact fighting.

i guess muay thai does suck, since gracie jujitsu beats its everytime

[J.K.]

I must say I disagree with you kantawman, there are styles that are better for street situations than others. If your study a style that was developed for sport you are limiting yourself. In TKD you cant clinch nor go to the ground, you cant kick below the waist. I don't think these rules apply on the street. Sport oriented martial arts limit the tools of a fighter. Im not saying that TDK is useless - it will teach you kicking and very limited striking range. It was developed for sport fighting. It only iencompasses to 2 ranges. I would say a MA that covers all the ranges is more developed and more practical for self defense. Im not saying that because you study TKD you cant be a good fighter, but you would probalbly better off studying an art that covers all ranges and doesn't not enforce rules for combat. Most schools that offer TKD, also offer tang Tsu do and Hepkito - if you blend the 3 styles you will have a more rounded self defense. You never know what is going to happen in a fight - so you need to be prepared for all ranges. Its obvious that if a TKD guy lands a perfect kick to your chin, you'll be in trouble (their kicks can be extremely powerful), just like if a boxer lands a nice cross. But you will be better equiped to deal with various fighters having studing all the ranges. TKD also neglects weapons. Sure they do some basic knife defense drills but they dont teach the blade or any other weapons. If im getting attacked by 2 or more people - I am going to cut and stabb my way out of it. Its good to study weapons - how to attack and defend against them in the event that someone is threatening you and your family - you have to be able to prevent anyone from harming your family - sometimes that calls for a blade, baton, mace ect...

[J.K.]

"i guess muay thai does suck, since gracie jujitsu beats its everytime "

Guess you didn't see Sakaraba punish Royce so bad that his family though in the towel. Or When sakaraba broke Renzo arm.

I study at a Gracie JJ affiliate school and before any NHB fighting they always do a lot of muay thai training. Hmmm, I wonder why - probably because it sucks.

[sidder]

****-aw, man: I have fought full-contact matches . So you're a big bad tkd fighter. Go put on some poka dot armor and practice your poomses, poomse!

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

I'm in Muay Thai now, but I used to be a hardcore WTF style competitior. Though TKD is DRASTICALLY different from M.T. It gave me a base, a good base. In fact, my hands still not as good as they should be but I DO use boxing to set up my roundhouse, the 7 long years of kicking fast and looking for the "polka dot target" on the chest protector enables me to find openings alot faster than most people, and capitalize on it better. Not to mention, the kicking mechanics were hella lot easier to learn in Muay thai since I was used to only kicking for so long. Even though TKD roundhouses are NOT as strong as Muay Thai, the kicking mechanics are alot more difficult to master. But I have to admit, it took me a good 3 months to get used to kicking with the shin and without the snap. But a strong charcteristic that still remains is my kicking speed. Another thing is, the sparring, though it was unrealisitic, my "ring presence" was still hella lot better than most beginners, when I first start. On the other hand, it could of just been me.

Two weeks ago, my friend who is still in TKD came to my trainer for a free private lesson, my trainer told him in the end, with him starting to train hard NOW, he would be ready for a fight in January. But I also do know that some other people from my club wouldnt last a second. I guess the whole point of this post is, SOME tough TKD guys or potenial is there for them to make the transfer to more full contact fighting very easily or without too much difficulty. I just think the bad rap is there because it is so easily reached by the masses.