Bruce Lee Death Conspiracy

[UK Phooey]

I don't really follow martial arts in the media so don't really know too much about Bruce Lee.

In a short discussion with someone recently they suggestion there was a big conspiracy regarding the death of Bruce Lee.

Is there any truth to this os was their nothing suspicious at all?

[auto]

Well,,

That's not an easy one to answer. If there was a conspiracy, you have no way of prooving it. Take for example Kennedy and the people associated with him(ie. Marilyn Monroe etc. who "died?"). If you say there's a conspiracy they call you paranoid-if you say no conspiracy, you're called ignorant and blind. I was thirteen when Bruce died--boy, you should have heard all the rumors going around school at the time. He was killed by a death touch--his lover poisoned him--the mafia killed him--get this one,aliens took his life. All we really have to go on is the coroners report-- supposedly he had an allergic reaction to the cannibis(marijuana leaves) that were in his stomach at the time. The other theory was that it was an allergy to the Equasic Betty gave him for his headache. Who knows. What I do know is that he was a great man with a great mind and it was because of him that I started MA and because of him that I became very good at it. And now, almost thirty years after his death his name carries on as one of the-if not the-greatest martial artist of all time.

[Sean J]

What I would like to know is how much money ist made each year in total with the the follwing conspiracy theories: JFK-murder cover-up. JFK/CIA conspiracy to kill Marilyn Monroe, and "the Americans-did-not-go-to-the-moon-at-all-conspiracy".

Sean

[Guest]

Man didn't go to the moon

Sorry to take this thread off topic, but can't resist it. Tis post is about the "did men walk on the moon" conspiracy theory.

Some guy at work was going on about this. I thought he was just being a bit daft (as usual). However, there was recently a documentary on it on the TV. The evidence is actually quite convincing. Here's some of the things I can remember. Most of it is in the close examination of the pictures taken from the moon surface (or not!) :-


Firstly, lets set the context of the whole "space race". The Americans and the Russians were both desperate to be the first to get men to the moon. Each wanted to establish "superiority" over the other in all respects, and being first to te moon would be a major victory economically, politically, philosophically etc. etc. Now to the evidence.

The pod left no trace of any rocket activity in the dust covered surface of the moon.

Pictures of the pod whilst still on the moon showed that no dust at all had come to rest on the pods "feet", they were as clean as could be.

There were no stars in the sky.

The American flags put on the moon were blowing in the wind. yet there is no atmosphere and no wind on the moon. They should have been hanging limp.

We have all seen pictures of men "bouncing" as they walk on the moon, as well as the moon buggy. Everything looks as though it is weightless. When the film is speeded up x 2, the men just look as if they are runing/hopping from leg to leg, and the moon buggy moves like a normal vehicle on bumpy terrain.

The astronauts had no view finder on their cameras, and the cameras were merely placed on the front of their chests. Yet all their pictures were really good, with the subject beautifully framed in each picture. It would be like shooting a gun and hitting bullseye every time, even though you couldn't look through the guns sites.

There are two different pictures of exactly the same place on the "moon". When you look at the contours, and even when the outline of one picture is traced and placed over the other, they match exactly. Except for one thing. The pod is in one, yet not in the other. How could that be? The pod left it's legs behind when the astronauts blasted off the moons surface, and they couldn't have got a picture of tha bit of the moon before they landed.

There is some kind of radiation belt around the earth that would need 12 feet of lead to protect any living creature from it. Though the anti moonwalk brigade do believe that men have been into space, they doubt that any living creature has passed through this belt.

The main astronaut was quite a critic of the programme, and stated that he didn't think it was possible for men to land on the moon. He (and his crew) died in a freak training accident in 1967 whereby they were all burned to death, and no explanation has ever been offered on what caused the fire.

The witnesses who believd that the moon walks were faked were not hairy arsed hippy cranks, but these men have PHDs etc. behind their names and one even worked for NASA. They all conceded that the astronauts were in rockets and were sent into space, but they did not actually go to, and walk on, the moon.


Thats all I can remember. Neil Armstrong has always been a great hero of mine. I am old enough to remember men on the moon back in 1969, and I always feel a shiver down my spine to think of the courage those first Astronauts to go there must have had (don't forget Michael Collins. He was the poor sucker who wasn't allowed on the surface.....). But, faced with this evidence, and more which I cannot remember, I would like to see some reassuring evidence from NASA to disprove these claims.

[Brokenmace]

All I can say is that was some pretty damn good work for 1969, even if you take into consideration the fact that the government is usually ten years ahead of current public technology.

I don't know the truth. Not many folks do. But we do have comfortable illusions.

One thing that bothers me about this so-called conspiracy is that most Soviet scientists of the day, who had the most to gain by discrediting the Moon landings, said nothing about this supposed falsification. You'd expect them to at least question how our boys got through the Van Allen Radiation Belts (that's what they are called). Noboby spoke up.

This from the folks who needed the US to fail.

As for the flag waving, if you noticed, there is a pole stuck through the top of the flag. They knew it would hang limp, so they wanted it to fly in the vacuum.

By the way, I've seen plenty of both nasa and Russian space photos with no stars in them. It probably has something to do with how the camera interacts with the sun. We sure as hell have GPS!

If the Van Allen Belts were so deadly, they would probably cause massive systems failure on all manner of interplanetary vehicles. They haven't, because they are usually avoided. Pick up a book on space travel, and they will show you how. I can't explain it here.

As for the Moon dust, that's laughable, considering that gravity is consistant in at least our own solar system (we are certain), and the same sort of landing on Earth wouldn't have cause much dust to settle on the pads. Remember, the dust is being blown away from the lander, not over it.

I'm no physicist, but I'll keep my illusions for now . . .

BTW, it doesn't really matter how or why Bruce Lee died. We are here! We are proof of his impact!

[Brokenmace]

And one other thing, Bri Thai! Look closely at the footage of them bouncing up and down on the moon's surface. Can you honestly tell me that they could have jumped that high with, what?, 60lbs on their bodies, without bending their knees to almost sitting as they skipped? Honestly, they looked like school girls playing hopscotch. Their knees were hardly bent!

Oh, phooey! Just go to

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Nuff said

[Guest]

Hey, I'm indecided! The thing you said about the Russians wanting to discredit it (and probably being able to if it was all a fake) occurred to me also.

Wouldn't the dust have blown upwards, and then slowly come down to land?

There are also other bits of my post that you haven't touched on.

But as for the "60lbs on their backs", who says there was realy any weight to the suits they wore?

One thing is for sure, Bruce Lee made a big splash in the MA world. In some ways perhas it is better that he burnt out whilst at his best, rather than faded away......

[Brokenmace]

Did you go to the website I posted? They have all the answers, a point by point rebutal.

As for the suits? I doubt they could've looked that way and not weighed too much to jump the way they did on earth.

I was reading the site I posted, and it says that both unmanned and manned space vehicles travel too fast through the van Allen Belts to be seriously affected. I believe this, since it doesn't take much protection to walk around Three Mile Island and not die (just a rad suit). Anything moving through space that came from earth is moving very fast, because that of escape velocity. The van Allen Belts don't stretch forever and they were partially shielded by the capsule. Besides, their space suits are rad suits, too.

The picture stuff I can't answer, except to point you to the site. I don't have the photos in front of me. But I can tell you that I am a graphic designer, and I manipulate photographs constantly. It's my job. I know the technology necessary to make them flawless, and they didn't have it in 69, not even the government. As for the stars, I just learned that it is a matter of film exposure. Space is very bright when you are standing right next to reflective, white, gold, and metallic objects, as all space photos with spacecraft contain. The stars were blotted out by the need to adjust for the brighter objects.

If you noticed, Hubble Space Telescope photos rarely show more stars behind their key subject -- just foreground stars mostly. This is why even Russian photos lack stars, and why you never see stars when the Space Shuttle is broadcasting to earth. The Earth is too bright!

As for the good photos? That could simply be a result of the film cameras they were using. Nothing digital back then. Take any frame from a natural light film and blow it up, and you'd get a nice photo. Their film cameras had viewfinders. And no, without an atmosphere the dust would not have settled onto the pads in great amounts. I have seen a photo with some dust on the pads, but you could still see most of the pad underneath. In atmosphere, the air stops all the dust from swirling away completely. Not so with the Moon.

[Sphinx]

Also the extra crew where not the only people who died. Another scientist who had investigated the project founded many faults with the programme. He had a thick book full of things that was wrong with the project. He died in a mysterious car accident and the book went missing.

The moon landing was believed to have been filmed in arizona near area 51.

There was believed to have been a spot light involved that projected a heck of a lot of light. More than there was supposed to have been. They proved this because because the shadows of the rocks were coming off in different directions.

The picture that nasa recieved was near perfect.

[Guest]

Hey, Brokenmace, I read the site. Man went to the moon.

But wait till I tell you about the Loch Ness Monster.......( )

[Brokenmace]

Yeehaa! I tried not to go Dr. Strangelove on you. Wow, this thread really dropped off topic.

I'll be away from a computer for about a week, so don't think I abandoned my adorring public

Bruce Lee ruled! And cannibus Sativa isn't Satan's handmaiden, even if it was found in the Dragon's gut!

[Macho]

To : UK Phooney

All fans of Bruce around the world wanna know more about Bruce's death. The question was "How could such a super-fit athletic person die of a sudden?"

All kinds of rumours and conspiracy theory can be heard. Since I am a Chinese resident in Hong Kong (the hometown of Bruce), I guess I might be able to provide a bit more reliable information to you.

Although martial arts is very devastating, criminals (including mafia) always murder someone by a gun nowadays. Secret murder by some death touch or poison formula only belongs to fiction. There is skill of Dim Mak, but it is definitely not Death Touch which can kill someone in a strange way.

Why bother so much? One bullet in the head kills anyone. If someone really needs to kill using kung fu, an accurate strike to the throat or neck will do.

The official explanation provided by the government was that Bruce got an allergic reaction to a painkiller drug, which was also not very convincing. And since Bruce was such a big star, it would not be too strange if someone (e.g. the boss of film producing company) did some work to cover up the whole thing.

The general belief in Hong Kong was that Bruce took too much body-enhancing drug (may include steroid) which eventually took his life.

No matter what, millions of people around the world loves Bruce and miss him. Bruce is a shining star and great martial artist forever. Bruce has gone, but he left us with his spirit.

[Sean J]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brokenmace
And one other thing, Bri Thai! Look closely at the footage of them bouncing up and down on the moon's surface. ...

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Nuff said [/QUOTE

This is probably the best argument at all: After a while they found out it was easier to jump aroung like kangaroos because the moon-gravity is only 1/6 of earth gravity. Not even Hollywood film-makers have been able to fake that - just as you never see anyone in movie-space-ships float around in zero-gravity. If NASA could have faked that - so could Hollywood and they would because the only thing that is so special about the Hollywood movie industry compared to non-American films are loads of special effects.

But the conspiracy-mongers - who simply just want your money - never mention such simple obvious facts.

Another good example is the attempt of constructing an assasination-theory as Princess Diana was killed. Lots and lots of allegations were mentioned - people seen here or there, or who might have a motive. The only thing they did not discuss was how you plan an assasination where the most important ingredient is that the driver will drive 200 kmh down through a curve on a city-expressway - where nobody with common sense would drive more than 120 (still exeeding speed limits).

I can't understand how people go on switching their brains off and buying such shit.

What BL's death is concerned: The statement of the allergic reaction may be true or untrue. But before saying "untrue", please come up with a a qualified opinion why it should not be true.

Sean J

[Brent Tibbetts]

I have an intresting point of view....

In July of 1998 I had the opportunity to stay in the same hotel as Ted Wong as I attended his seminar. For two days we had breakfast together and one evening Mr. Wong and a few of his students and myself went out for dinner in Vancouver BC. First off Ted Wong is a great man and is an incredible martial artist. We started talking and someone asked if he thought Bruce was murdered. He thought the death touch and all that was crap. He did think that Bruce was allergic to something though. He felt that there was little done to save his life. There was a hospital only 10 minutes away and yet they took him to a hospital 45 minutes away. He felt the delay between when the paramedics arrived and how long it took him to get to the hospital was a bit supicous. If they had come right away and the lady who found him called for help first then Raymond Chow things may have been different. Who knows......just a different perspective from one of Bruce's closest students.

Brent Tibbetts

[Guest]

Bruce Lee didn't die at all. He was hit by Princess Diana's car and catapulted to the moon...........