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**Tim Mousel** · 02-05-2003, 02:19 PM

Well put!

**Great Sage** · 02-05-2003, 02:44 PM

Re: JKD Misconception!!!!!

Originally posted by JIMI
I am fairly new to this forum but having gone thru and read many posts, i have come to the conclusion that many of you have mistaken JKD for an actual style of fighting with a set curriculum. Unfortunately this is the furthest from the truth. If you were to refer to an actual style with set curriculum in connection with Bruce Lee then you would be referring to Jun Fan Gung Fu or his original teaching Wing Chun. JKD is your very own style. No two are the same. JKD is taking many different styles or techniques and combining them together in your own melting pot of what works for you. I believe that the inner meaning of JKD means to not limit oneself to just one particular thing, but to expand and work and learn all ranges, then absorb what is useful and leave the rest. I hope that makes sense.

Well said indeed... And we can all begin by STOP using the term JKD to classify our techniques, styles, expression etc... JKD was Bruce Lee's expression... It doesn't necessarily mean everyone else's.

**platinum_angel** · 02-05-2003, 03:18 PM

i agree

**ryanhall** · 02-05-2003, 03:41 PM

Very good post. Many, many people think JKD and they think of a 5'8'' Chinese guy who is faster than they will ever be. Jeet Kune Do is about doing what works for the practitioner. Coincidentally, Bruce anticipated this kind of thing happening, and he was unhappy that he gave his 'way' a name. OJKD is the perfect example of what Bruce was not about. It's fine if you want to propogate the memory of the most influential martial artist of our time (probably of all time), but calling it JKD is a little off in my opinion.

**platinum_angel** · 02-05-2003, 03:56 PM

i heard that later after he developed JKD he regreted it because people would get that misconception or something like that.

**Phoenix9** · 02-05-2003, 05:09 PM

In the great words of Donnie Brasco "Forget about it"

**Bruce_Fan** · 02-06-2003, 02:17 AM

What did Bruce Say??

Jimi,

Your sentiments echo mine. I think we'll have to seperate what Bruce taught his students [Jun Fan Gung Fu] from the Philsophy he taught [JKD.]

BRUCE SAID:
“To Set the record Straight, I have not invented a new style, that is set within distinct from 'This' style or 'That' style. On the Contrary, I hope to free my followers from styles."

Need I say more??
It's pretty self-Explanatory. If the" Original JKD" guys can't understand that, then I am sorry.

Bruce_fan

**akja** · 02-06-2003, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by ryanhall
Very good post. Many, many people think JKD and they think of a 5'8'' Chinese guy who is faster than they will ever be. Jeet Kune Do is about doing what works for the practitioner. Coincidentally, Bruce anticipated this kind of thing happening, and he was unhappy that he gave his 'way' a name. OJKD is the perfect example of what Bruce was not about. It's fine if you want to propogate the memory of the most influential martial artist of our time (probably of all time), but calling it JKD is a little off in my opinion.

Bruce wasn't in Oakland enough for the world to expect Oakland to have evolved the way the L.A. Chinatown school did. Its rediculous to think so. In the '60's Bruce eventually named his art Jeet Kune Do, theres letters he wrote speaking of his new "martial art," he taught his new martial art and in L.A. he changed things quite a bit but he was there for the L.A. group to guide them in "his" Jeet Kune Do!

He wasn't there for Oakland, he was more like an occasional instructor for the Oakland group. To this day my Sifus father who was there "says he was a student of Jimmy Lee!"

Theres a reason for that. As far as expecting them to evolve the same, how could it be? They were taught a "martial art" with a curriculum and Bruce named it Jeet Kune Do.

It dosen't matter if he changed things later. Thats not the way they learned it. Jimmy Lee died and shorly after that Bruce died, so you tell me how they were supposed to become a "concept?" Taky Kimura teaches Jun Fan Gung-Fu because thats what he was taught in Seattle.

If Helio Gracie made major changes and said GJJ is not an art it is a "concept, " then what would everybody in the BJJ world be expected to do?

My Sifu taught me his expanded version of what his father taught him. The name dosen't mean shit. They don't like the word JKD and nither do I. Everybody seems to think that the way it was in L.A. before Bruce died has to be the "only" right way. Seems like the people who think that are the ones that are confused. If one JKD is better than the next JKD and yet we are all differant, then you have to ask how can my JKD be better.

Mine is mine, yours is yours. Who is right? is anybody right? Seems like most people that talk about "OJKD" being wrong don't really have anything to do with JKD in the first place.

**ryanhall** · 02-06-2003, 07:46 AM

Seems like most people that talk about "OJKD" being wrong don't really have anything to do with JKD in the first place.

It's not wrong, it simply has ceased to evolve, and the practitioners are mimicing their teacher (two concepts that Bruce was against).

**akja** · 02-06-2003, 08:55 AM

Some may be doing just that but from the Oakland school but a lot has evolved. If you go to Wally Jay and learn Small Circle Jujistu, would you be mimicking your sensei? The tree grows many branches some weak and some strong, some bigger and some smaller.

I've heard the same kind of talk about Jerry Popeet, its a shame.
He claims to teach exactly the way he was taught by Bruce Lee.

http://www.jerrypoteet.com/

Its an endless controversy. What people don't understand is the evoloution of the concept came after Bruce left Oakland and in "72 & '73 two of the original 4 sources died. The world expected JKD in Oakland to "evolve into a concept all by itself!" In Bruces later years he stated himself that he regretted not being able to get to Oakland and Seattle enough.

Thats my point. When Bruce was alive you went to Oakland and Seattle as much as possible but he was a busy man. Oakland is a 6 hour drive from L.A., too far by anybodys standards for them to hook up with Dan. So they did what they could by themselves!

It was destiny for it to be differant but that dosen't make it wrong.

BTW- theres another twist. Bruce officially closed his schools so after that the art belongs to the individual students to do as they wish. HAVE A GOOD DAY!

**JIMI** · 02-06-2003, 02:10 PM

No actually to some it just comes down to buisness. I am assuming you are familiar with the group that was formed after Lee's death called the Nucleus. My opinion of these greedy, suckin blood money thieves is very low. These people actually claimed that they were the rightful disciples of Bruce and were so unbelievably disrespectful to Guro Dan. Guro Dan of course to this day was the ONLY student of Bruce that was actually certified by Bruce to continue his teachngs. All others that abandoned Guro Dan, also abandoned Bruce.

**sikal** · 02-06-2003, 02:35 PM

While I'm not too keen on the Nucleus in general, I have heard Richard Bustillo talk about his involvement with it. His intentions seemed good and sincere. And I think that some of the other members were also well-intentioned. But I think that, overall, your statements about the group are reasonably accurate.

As I understand it, though, Guro Dan was originally invited to join the group and chose not to. His reasons for not joining are his, though, and I have no idea what drove the decision.

But there were definitely some slanderous/libelous comments made about him by some of the members of the Nucleus ... but I'm pretty sure that they weren't speaking for every member of the Nucleus.

Mike

**Phoenix9** · 02-06-2003, 02:41 PM

:It's the Idea boys that put's a big ol smile on my face.......

**robertlee** · 02-06-2003, 02:53 PM

not only

One James and taiki were certified by bruce. Dan was the first to get a certifcate that used the jkd name of ranking. Bruce worked with james and taiki on the jkd . NO different then many today get instruction to jkd . In stages at a distance And jkd really took place in doing in oakland. The name took place in LA. and futher development took place ther to. BUT bruce shut all the schools down to outside teaching. Left no one in charge of jkd. The students of bruce is what was left. Dan has a certificate and was a third rank. But was not the man in charge. Bruce was. JKD has slowly spread and still is. Dan hascertified people like other past students have. If the root ends at bruce then its away to learn. Just like any art all the instructors are not equaly as good. Dan is a fine learning source to go to. and others are to. To many its becoming the money to be made. and then some just want to train and grow. Jun Fan// JKD needs the preservation also to grow from . Or it will be lost in the future. So both concept training and ojkd has purpose. Even many that teach ojkd has added extened set to the training so its staying alive as well. Dan is commended his contributions to jkd and contineued support and development to the exposer and intrests of the different m/as But no single key to who teaches jkd. It would be nice to see all the jkd people get along and communicate with each other . As growth would be very strong while shareing the different paths of further development. And for the most part the door is open. Just have to walk in and empty the cup with each other. TWO minds think different. Shared methods brings growth. 100 years from now will jkd still be here. If so then the root still leads back to bruce.

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