Who did Bruce lee actually fight?

[Justthefacts]

Students

In addition, Lee sparred regularly with his students and some of his students are highly regarded in the martial arts community. These students include Dan Inosanto and the late Larry Hartsell.

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[Tom Yum]

Is this guy trying to tell us that his grand poo-bah can move 150% faster than a bullet?

Dipshit.

Lots and lots of fiber and a lil qigong

[Guest]

The documented history of Bruce Lee's combat experiences are as follows:

1) Lee's brother, Robert, stated that Bruce went looking for fights in high school. Lee's nickname in high school was "King Gorilla."

2) Lee had many rooftop battles in Hong Kong with the last of these confrontations resulting in Lee seriously hurting the son of a Triad family. This fight was one of the reasons why Lee's family shipped him to the United States.

3) Lee got into 2 street fights in the early 1960's. Lee punched out a Japanese challenger in Oakland and he fought Wong Jak Man in 1964. Both fights were witnessed by several individuals.

4) Lee got into more street fights than Chuck Norris (e.g., one fight while in the service) and Bill Wallace (e.g., no street fights) combined.

5) Lee did not spar with Joe Lewis or Mike Stone, but he did spar several times with Chuck Norris and Louis Delgado. Richard Bustillio stated that Norris was "red-faced" after a sparring session with Lee and Norris confirms in his book on Zen concepts that he and Lee sparred against each other. Delgado told Fighting Stars magazine that Lee was the toughest man he ever faced.

6) Lee got into 2 fights on the set of Enter the Dragon. One fight was witnessed by Bob Wall and the other fight was witnessed by Dragon director Robert Clouse.

Justthefacts

I'm not saying any of that is or isn't true, I wasn't there so I don't know. What I will say is all of the above is anecdotal, not fact.

A factual, documented fight record is, for example:

Joe Calzaghe
44 fights
44 wins
32 by KO, defended his world title 22 times.

This fight record is recorded and documented with all of the Associations within which he has fought, and pretty much all of the fights can be found on archive video. That is a documented fight record.

Everything you have provided is word of mouth testimonial, second hand witness statements, third hand stories recorded in print. That is anecdotal evidence. Just be careful to make the distinction, before you go presenting.... just the facts.

Oh by the way I couldn't care either way but I'm just bored, and we need to get more posts on here after the blackout.

[Guest]

Absolutely. To be clear my post wasn't about Bruce Lee, Joe Calzaghe (although yes he is awesome) or even martial arts. It was just about presenting anecdotal evidence as documented facts.

Back on topic though, I am certainly not suggesting that you need a documented fight record in combat sports to be a fighter. I know plenty of people who haven't set foot in a ring, but I'd want them behind me if my life was on the line. Vu is a good example.

Mike did you get my reply to your PM? I have your journal stuff, I'll email it now.

[Tant01]

I'm on it...

As soon as I spread some around....

I did, and you're my new hero. I'm trying to rep you again, but apparently I need to hand out another hundred points to other people before I can push you up to that next green button!

Anyone else care to help me out and do the honors?

[gavin]

lol quite a topic this. i havnt read the whole thing but incase the argument about folk conditioning with trees hasnt been settled. its a done thing and has been done for centurys. i recall seeing a documentary on a boxer from the early 1900's that faught in the fairgrounds. cant mind his name but tehre where an article from a newspaper that had documented his training saying how he punched the bark from trees.

i dunno anything about bruce lee but if chuck did say he couldnt be beaten then i'd take his word for it.

w think back to the last fight you had everyone. who where there? it absolutely makes sesne that bruce lee where only surrounded by freinds and familyon the occasions he gotten in to a streetfight. chances are there will f been witnes's from both party's but if you where with the opposing party i immagine you wouldnt go shouting your mouth about how he got his arse kicked would ya? so the fact that theres only freinds etc saying how he won makes total sense yer?

[Justthefacts]

Documentation

In terms of Bruce Lee's fighting history, if the lone criteria for documented fact involves videotaped evidence with an accompanying acknowledgement by a sanctioning sports organization, then one could make the argument that there is no proof that Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest pound for pound fighter in boxing history. None of Robinson's fights in his PRIME were filmed which includes his first 5 fights with Jake Lamotta, his 2 fights with Kid Gavilan, and his first world title fight against Tommy Bell. The only verification we have of Robinson's prowess at his peak are eyewitness and newspaper accounts. I guess I could have added the FACT that Lee won the Hong Kong High School Boxing Championships at his particular weight class and that George Dillman told a Black Belt magazine interviewer that he needed to chide Lee for being too rough when sparring with his students, but I didn't feel the need to run it into the ground. Using this singular criteria would basically put the autobiography out of business, but RELIABLE first-hand testimony has always been part of the documented record. I think that the recollections of Chuck Norris, Bob Wall, George Dillman, Larry Hartsell, Dan Inosanto, and Louis Delgado would certainly meet this criteria.

Justthefacts

[Twinqle]

Bruce never smoked weed

Bruce didn't smoke weed, he ate it.
Bruce was against smoking.

[Justthefacts]

James Coburn

According to the late James Coburn, Bruce Lee did smoke opium on occasion. Bruce used to call this practice "blowing gold." It's important to note that recreational drug use was part of the Hollywood culture in the 1960's and some of the best conditioned athletes at that time used drugs. Joe Lewis admits to witnessing Bruce Lee use drugs at Hollywood parties and Lewis implies that he was an active participant.

[Justthefacts]

Fighting Spirit

Despite his recreational drug use, Bruce Lee may have been the most fit martial artist of his era and many of his students described him as a fanatic. After his fight with Wong Jack Man, Bruce made sure that physical conditioning was a priority in his journey as a martial artist.

[NaSZ]

Bruce was awsome in movies. I dont know if it was in reallife.

I know he loved martial arts and he trained hard.

Today there R many many good fighters, but I mean good fighters.
Not to compare with fighters from the 60s or 70s.
The fighters of today are more superieur and fight for the real deal.
Most fighters from the 60s or 70s did Karate and it was pointsystem...that was rejected by Bruce s idea. And others did some kind of Karate in the ring. But compared with today ringfights K1 or cagefights I think times R changed! ( thats why i dont believe in trapping)
Bruce thoughts you can find in todays ringfighters...Training for the ultimate.
Check out fighters like Fedor or some fighters in the UFC. Thats what i call Killermentality.
Bruce was the first MMA fighter. First one who believed in having all styles to become having NO style!

[Justthefacts]

Criteria

If the criteria for judging a fighter is proving yourself time and time again when your ass is on the line, then Bruce Lee was the real deal. If the criteria revolves around combat experience in a structured sporting event, then we have no idea if Bruce Lee was a legitimate fighter. I'll let Bruce Lee be the judge of his own abilities...

"If I say that I'm no good, then you know I'm lying."

"I'm self-sufficient."

"I fear no man and if you're going to fight me, baby, you better kill me before I get you."

[halflaxash]

I think it's a DEEP statement. I like it.

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[jubaji]

Bruce was awsome in movies. I dont know if it was in reallife.

I know he loved martial arts and he trained hard.

Today there R many many good fighters, but I mean good fighters.
Not to compare with fighters from the 60s or 70s.
The fighters of today are more superieur and fight for the real deal.
Most fighters from the 60s or 70s did Karate and it was pointsystem...that was rejected by Bruce s idea. And others did some kind of Karate in the ring. But compared with today ringfights K1 or cagefights I think times R changed! ( thats why i dont believe in trapping)
Bruce thoughts you can find in todays ringfighters...Training for the ultimate.
Check out fighters like Fedor or some fighters in the UFC. Thats what i call Killermentality.
Bruce was the first MMA fighter. First one who believed in having all styles to become having NO style!

Bruce Lee would 'Chuck Norris at the Coliseum' you for repeatedly using "R" for "are." Try not to be any more stupid than you have to, kid.