Who did Bruce lee actually fight?

[jules]

Mas used trees and other objects to harden his fist, shins ect. That is not uncommon, sheit look at all the old school MT guys. They did the same thing. It's not that uncommon in that peroid of time. Shaolin monks used to do the same thing didn't they? As for that guy. Heck wouldn't you loose it if you see a man beating on a woman ? I know for sure i would. And who is to say Mas was trying to kill him? It could have been an accident. Anyhow for the sake of argument let's not talk about Mas or Mr Choi. Helio and Carlo Gracie Challenged anyone and everyone they met.

Everyone who sparred with him was impressed

Sparring and fighting are two differnt things. There are plenty of great practice QB's in the NFL but theyc an't deliver on stage.

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by jules
Mas used trees and other objects to harden his fist, shins ect. That is not uncommon, sheit look at all the old school MT guys. They did the same thing. It's not that uncommon in that peroid of time. Shaolin monks used to do the same thing didn't they? As for that guy. Heck wouldn't you loose it if you see a man beating on a woman ? I know for sure i would. And who is to say Mas was trying to kill him? It could have been an accident. Anyhow for the sake of argument let's not talk about Mas or Mr Choi. Helio and Carlo Gracie Challenged anyone and everyone they met.

Sparring and fighting are two differnt things. There are plenty of great practice QB's in the NFL but theyc an't deliver on stage.

jules,

You seem intent on being naive, so I'll enlighten you on Bruce Lee and the martial arts. Firstly, Muay Thai fighters have never used rocks or trees for hardening shins — it's an old wives tale that's been passed down... Furthermore, I don't know of any martial arts that regulary uses trees or rocks (past or present) to train. Most kung-fu hardening exercises involve sand, wooden dummy or water. Only a few insane guys have resorted to such tactics as trees and rocks.

Unlike Helio, Carlos or Mas, Bruce Lee was a movie star and not in the habit of looking for fights. He had a career to look to. However, during the course of his stardom, Bruce was a phenomenal martial artist that trained with world class champions and impressed them enough to bare merit. Not anyone can go head to head with a world class martial artist and leave them impressed or defeated. Consider that when asked how well he would fair in a real fight with Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris answered, "Bruce Lee... No one can beat him."

There are many guys who have challenged everyone, Bruce being one of them... He made the statement during one of his interviews... We hear it all the time in UFC, Pride and NHB. However, the fact of the matter is that anyone with any brains will only fight in a controlled environment.

Lastly, your analogy with football is just ridiculous... Sparring involves you against an opponent, whereas football depends on team members. A QB can't help it if his teammate drops the ball, or line does not hold up. That said, most guys who can clean your clock during a sparring session will 9 out of 10 times be able to do it in real life. That is if you're really sparring, not playing patti-cake. Why don't you try sparring with a world class martial artist and find out.

[jules]

You seem intent on being naive, so I'll enlighten you on Bruce Lee and the martial arts.

Is being uppedy and arrogant a defence mechanism or is that considered an acutal rebuttal?

Firstly, Muay Thai fighters have never used rocks or trees for hardening shins ?it's an old wives tale that's been passed down...

So when MT was first invented i guess they went to the nearest champion store and got a pair of thai pads hundreds of years ago
?

Furthermore, I don't know of any martial arts that regulary uses trees or rocks (past or present) to train.

I know for a fact that dojos in Okinawa use wood pannels and the masters do use trees to train on.

most kung-fu hardening exercises involve sand, wooden dummy or water.

And what are wooden dummies made of?

Unlike Helio, Carlos or Mas, Bruce Lee was a movie star and not in the habit of looking for fights.

Wasn't he a Kung-Fu instructor before he became a movie star?

Consider that when asked how well he would fair in a real fight with Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris answered, "Bruce Lee... No one can beat him."

Chuck has said alot of things, i have read that he said that he could take BL.

Lastly, your analogy with football is just ridiculous... Sparring involves you against an opponent, whereas football depends on team members. A QB can't help it if his teammate drops the ball, or line does not hold up.

We are not talking about his teamates. We are talking about his ability to take preassure in game situations rather than simulated ones.

Why don't you try sparring with a world class martial artist and find out.

One would figure that a world class martial artist would have had some actual fights in offcial events with other world class martial artists. Ok let me rephrase the question. Who has Bruce Lee beaten in competition? The question was simple yet you resort to snide remarks and putdowns.

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by jules
Is being uppedy and arrogant a defence mechanism or is that considered an acutal rebuttal?

In your case, "yes."

Originally posted by jules
So when MT was first invented i guess they went to the nearest champion store and got a pair of thai pads hundreds of years ago?

Before it was actually coined Muay Thai, fighters trained with a partner, then rice bags and such... Some legends have it that they used Banana trees which are soft and cushioned, but NEVER trees or rocks. Gimme a break...

Originally posted by jules
I know for a fact that dojos in Okinawa use wood pannels and the masters do use trees to train on.

They are called makiwara and either have padding or are specifically built to cushion blows by way of design... There is quite a difference from going outside and kicking and punching trees and rocks.

Originally posted by jules
And what are wooden dummies made of?

Again, a wooden dummy is not a tree... dummy.

Originally posted by jules
Wasn't he a Kung-Fu instructor before he became a movie star?

When Bruce began teaching, he was still in the developmental stages of his art. Later, when he became a movie star, he seldom taught or stayed very long in one place, as he was doing movies and training himself... He hated teaching and would charge incredible rates, but that didn't sway anyone.

Originally posted by jules
Chuck has said alot of things, i have read that he said that he could take BL.

True, but the statement I qouted was said during the years Chuck was still a champion... And many champions have said the same during their hayday... Unfortunately, now everyone feels the need to defend their credibility.

Originally posted by jules
We are not talking about his teamates. We are talking about his ability to take preassure in game situations rather than simulated ones.

Anyone who cannot adapt to pressure will succumb to failure, no matter what sport, activity... However, the fact remains that football is a team sport and relies on team effort. In contrast, sparring depends on individual effort.

Originally posted by jules
One would figure that a world class martial artist would have had some actual fights in offcial events with other world class martial artists. Ok let me rephrase the question. Who has Bruce Lee beaten in competition? The question was simple yet you resort to snide remarks and putdowns.

Bruce Lee did not intend to prove himself to be as a world class martial artist, otherwise he would have competed. Rather, he was regarded by professional athletes alike to be a world class martial artist. Whether people choose to believe he was actually a world class martial artist is entirely their own choice.

On another note, I only resort to foul tactics when confronted with a foul smell... Why don't you review your past posts... you'll find profanity, obvious derogatory rhetorics and what not, towards respectable members of this forum.

[jules]

On another note, I only resort to foul tactics when confronted with a foul smell... Why don't you review your past posts... you'll find profanity, obvious derogatory rhetorics and what not, towards respectable members of this forum.

Quote them to me and actually back yoruself up without makeing empty and baseless accusations. But then again if that's the only defence you have. Anyhow back to the subject at hand. I asked who BL actually fought. It was a straight forward question that required a straight forward answer. So you could answer this question or stop wasting time on this tread.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

He fought Wong Jack Man (a Chinese Kung Fu instructor in San Franciso's Chinatown), and a bunch of no name, street kids in HK, and a few movie extras.

He never fought anyone else. He just sparred and trained with them.

Are we done?

Ryu

[brokenelbow]

Bruce fought this guy?

[WaTEr]

How extremely toned bruce lee was i doubt anything really could of beat him...can anybody say one-inch punch that knocks the wind out of you?

[jules]

Ryu (JKD?),
Thank you.

[Homey]

My first post here, because the conversation between Great Sage and Jules was funny. I like that, that was good!!!

[Kirves]

About Mas killing the street punk... Here's what Lorden's book "Oyama: The Legend, The Legacy" says about the incident:

It was at one such dance event that Oyama came to the aid of a female who was being accosted by a local trouble maker. When Oyama intervened, the trouble maker, a tall Japanese suspected of several homicides, became enraged and produced a knife. Taunting Oyama, the trouble maker made continuous slashing movements throught the air in front of Oyama's face with the knife and then lunged towards Oyama. Oyama blocked the attack and delivered a forceful punch to the head of the assailant, killing him instantly. Because of eyewitness accounts of the incident, Oyama was ruled by the courts as justified in using self-defence. However, the impact of the tragedy devastated Oyama. To kill a man with a single blow was so overwhelming to Oyama that he decided to give up his martial arts training. Learning that the man he killed had a wife and children on a farm in the Kanto area near Tokyo, Oyama went to the farm and worked there for several months. He did not leave until the widow assured him that she was financially capable of maintaining the farm and that she did not hold Oyama responsible for the death of her husband.

[Amaze]

is this the same guy who fought bulls ?

[Domstarr]

In one of the Bruce Lee documentaries, the director of Enter The Dragon said that Bruce Lee was constantly challenged on the street by martial artists who wanted to prove they were better than him. Bruce always won. Any comments?

[Thai Bri]

Yes. Bull shit.

[akja]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Yes. Bull shit.

Domstarr, offered up the documentary as referance.

Do you have PROOF its bull shit?