Wong Jak Man kicked Brue's ass.

[huey]

i believe the wong version of the story on many sides.
i have heard many stories from people who were around oakland and san francisco at that time and all seem to end with the references jerk,asshole,arrogant,disrespectful, all being attributed to bruce.
these others i cannot substantiate but they are entertaining anyway.
other stories say he would sucker punch people for the hell of it.
one such story was of bruce on a television show along with a tai chi master. the tai chi master who was pretty old was discussing chi and would like to demonstrate it for everyone. the host agreed and the master stood up. he asked bruce who was sitting to his right to assist him by pushing against him. bruce hit him in the stomach leaving the master on the floor. bruce said "i don't push i punch." and walked off the set
another was once when he went to vegas with his wife he walked up and started talking to a bouncer in a club he was in. after talking for a while he punched the bouncer.
here's another (the last one)
a tournament held by ed parker and others in oakland (don't know the year so that is suspicious aspect number one) and they had booked bruce as a special guest at the tournament. i guess he had an argument or something with some people ending in him hitting one or two (can't get firm details on that part) anyway he was walking toward ed parker (kenpo teacher who also taught elvis) and his good friend al moore sr. well i guess seeing what bruce had done earlier told the two what was going to happen to them. (i've heard two versions on this part and will list them as A and B)
A. bruce threw a punch at Al and he blocked it and chopped bruce in the neck knocking him out. he told the people bruce was with "tell him if he tries that again i'll kill him."
B.Al side stepped bruce and hit him in the neck without saying anything.
ok last one i promise
was that during the filming of return of the dragon chuck had to slow down everything he did so bruce wouldn't look slow. if this were true on any level (which i don't think it was or is )i am sure it was for filmography only.
hey i like the guys movies the same as the next guy as well as his accomplishments in ma so please don't think i am hatin' and start tearing me apart for lack of factual substance. i don't have any like i said i wasn't there for any of these but since we're talking about stories...

[akja]

Originally posted by huey
i believe the wong version of the story on many sides.
i have heard many stories from people who were around oakland and san francisco at that time and all seem to end with the references jerk,asshole,arrogant,disrespectful, all being attributed to bruce.
these others i cannot substantiate but they are entertaining anyway.
other stories say he would sucker punch people for the hell of it.
one such story was of bruce on a television show along with a tai chi master. the tai chi master who was pretty old was discussing chi and would like to demonstrate it for everyone. the host agreed and the master stood up. he asked bruce who was sitting to his right to assist him by pushing against him. bruce hit him in the stomach leaving the master on the floor. bruce said "i don't push i punch." and walked off the set
another was once when he went to vegas with his wife he walked up and started talking to a bouncer in a club he was in. after talking for a while he punched the bouncer.
here's another (the last one)
a tournament held by ed parker and others in oakland (don't know the year so that is suspicious aspect number one) and they had booked bruce as a special guest at the tournament. i guess he had an argument or something with some people ending in him hitting one or two (can't get firm details on that part) anyway he was walking toward ed parker (kenpo teacher who also taught elvis) and his good friend al moore sr. well i guess seeing what bruce had done earlier told the two what was going to happen to them. (i've heard two versions on this part and will list them as A and B)
A. bruce threw a punch at Al and he blocked it and chopped bruce in the neck knocking him out. he told the people bruce was with "tell him if he tries that again i'll kill him."
B.Al side stepped bruce and hit him in the neck without saying anything.
ok last one i promise
was that during the filming of return of the dragon chuck had to slow down everything he did so bruce wouldn't look slow. if this were true on any level (which i don't think it was or is )i am sure it was for filmography only.
hey i like the guys movies the same as the next guy as well as his accomplishments in ma so please don't think i am hatin' and start tearing me apart for lack of factual substance. i don't have any like i said i wasn't there for any of these but since we're talking about stories...

Just more rumors like 99.9% thats out there.

Early on Bruce practiced Tai Chi with his Father. Thats fact that can be verified. I've spoken about the fight with someone who was Bruces student when the fight occurred, his son trained me and he himself too a bit from time to time and I laugh when I hear all of the "versions" of what really happened in that fight.

Who really cares?? Nobody can prove a thing on either side! It has NO bering on our martial abilities. Its just more bull shit, disrespecting the dead.

Oh yeah, its really funny too when I hear how these guys from the UK who know the "truth" about what happened in OAKLAND or L.A.

Fat chance anyone over the "pond" ever met him much less know the truth or anything remotely close.

[chris davis 200]

Oh yeah, its really funny too when I hear how these guys from the UK who know the "truth" about what happened in OAKLAND or L.A

Dont know anyone that had said they know the truth??

also whats the difference between someone in oakland that never met or trained with bruce lee and someone in the UK that never met or trained with Brucelee ?? None??

None of us were there - not you - not any of us - but we can judge the accounts of various sources on what they say.

One seems to be a justification of Bruces Lees 'amazing skill' the other seems like a factual account - of 2 masters in combat.

that is all any of us have to go on.

the subject is not really of interest to me. Bruce Lee was great for alot of reasons wether he won or not - he was still a great man and an Icon.

Cheers
Chris

[DRG]

DRG

"the subject is not really of interest to me. Bruce Lee was great for alot of reasons wether he won or not - he was still a great man and an Icon"

Exactly Chris, Bruce didn't lose but definately didn't win as handily as he wanted either.

But some of you guys are so full of shit it's dribbling out of their mouths. Serrada especially. There is no way that Sifu Dan would ever say a thing like that even if it was true, he after all this time is still in awe of what Bruce could do. Secondly Long Dong Wong Jack Off Man couldn't hold my jock much less Bruce's.

Huey you're full of it too although some of what you say is true Bruce could be arrogant. But everyone that knows anything about Bruce knows that he didn't fall for the Chi tricks, and a strong immovable base doesn’t necessarily mean you can fight. If you ask me anyone claiming that they are invincible because of Chi is asking to get knocked down to size, the Tai Chi master got what he deserved. Not that there is anything wrong with Tai Chi I do it myself, but not to cultivate Chi, I think it is a good warm-up, stretching, balance, mind quieting, concentration, focus, meditation exercise, but if it builds Chi then so does everything else we do that is athletic.

You guys should really have more respect for a great innovator and teacher of the martial arts, no one has matched Bruce’s contribution so far except for maybe Sifu Dan who will always think of Bruce as his teacher.

No Bruce was not the superman badass he played on the screen he was just way ahead of everybody of his time and 99.9999999 percent of the people out there right now. Bruce was human and made mistakes. And I guarantee he could kick all of our asses.

[Kakarot71]

Re: DRG

Originally posted by DRG

No Bruce was not the superman badass he played on the screen he was just way ahead of everybody of his time and 99.9999999 percent of the people out there right now. Bruce was human and made mistakes. And I guarantee he could kick all of our asses. [/B]

Well put, DRG.
But why is it such a big deal anyway. No one can deny they are both great fighters.

[akja]

Originally posted by chris davis 200


Dont know anyone that had said they know the truth??

also whats the difference between someone in oakland that never met or trained with bruce lee and someone in the UK that never met or trained with Brucelee ?? None??

None of us were there - not you - not any of us - but we can judge the accounts of various sources on what they say.

One seems to be a justification of Bruces Lees 'amazing skill' the other seems like a factual account - of 2 masters in combat.

that is all any of us have to go on.

the subject is not really of interest to me. Bruce Lee was great for alot of reasons wether he won or not - he was still a great man and an Icon.

Cheers
Chris

My point was to get even "remotely" close to the truth, "we" would need to have a firsthand discussion with someone who was close to Bruce at that time.

I have had the conversation. It does not change anything either way. My point on the UK was directed because of "certain comments" and the relevance is there if one "really" did speak to someone who was Bruces student "at that time."

[jules]

Secondly Long Dong Wong Jack Off Man couldn't hold my jock much less Bruce's.

Care to explain further?

[Thai Bri]

I don't think Bruce was ahead of his time at all. People have mixed and matched martial arts amny times before, and a great many styles are just that.

As for the "he created a JKD concept" argument..... Hardly. Half of JKD has a set syllabus to perform, and the other half teach exactly what Bruce used to teach, without developing it one iota.

Still a great Martial Artist. Still a second rate actor. Still an Icon.

[DRG]

DRG

Yeah you almost got it right Bri but not quite,
Give us some examples!

[Thai Bri]

Jigaro Kano and W.E. Fairbairn come to mind immediately.

[akja]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
I don't think Bruce was ahead of his time at all. People have mixed and matched martial arts amny times before, and a great many styles are just that.

As for the "he created a JKD concept" argument..... Hardly. Half of JKD has a set syllabus to perform, and the other half teach exactly what Bruce used to teach, without developing it one iota.

Still a great Martial Artist. Still a second rate actor. Still an Icon.

You know Bri, I take shots at what "we" don't agree on, nothin wrong there. We just disagree about certain things but for the most part I think your a stand up guy that says what he feels.

JKD's concepts are unique to JKD because of the curriculum behind it. The techniques when practiced with the concepts create the art of JKD.

If "we" just mix arts then its just a mixed martial art and not JKD.

If "we" practice our primary arts and incorporate JKD's concepts and if we "strictly" follow the concepts then we can "arguably" be changing our arts in the direction of JKD but our primary arts, using a traditional art as an example, would no longer be the original art and should not use the original name out of respect to its creator.

[DRG]

Kano what are friiggin nuts he made a contribution sure but he didn't do anything outside of grappling, throwing, and locking. I used to eat judo champs for lunch at kicking and striking ranges, one dimensional fighters they are. W.E Fairbairn give me a break, where's his schools at? Did he have kicks in his arsenal? He sure hasn't made the impact that Lee has.

Bruce Lee was not just a guy mixing arts together, sure some have done that before but who gives a shit it's always been done to some degree, Lee just did it better than anyone else when he was alive period, and he did it in all ranges.

[adacas]

if you were to talk to Parker he would not say that he and Bruce had any altercations. if you were to talk to the director of enter the dragon he would say they hated eachothers guts. its all hear say. As far as what Bruce Lee left behind was not the ultimate martial art but just a better way of thinking. Bruce Lee was not the first voice to express his way of thinking either...his was just the loudest. As for JKD being a the first mixed martial art I just have one thing to say KAJUKENBO karate/judo/juijutsu/kenpo/chinese boxing. But like any other martial art what you learn depends on who is teaching you.

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by DRG
Kano what are friiggin nuts he made a contribution sure but he didn't do anything outside of grappling, throwing, and locking. I used to eat judo champs for lunch at kicking and striking ranges, one dimensional fighters they are. W.E Fairbairn give me a break, where's his schools at? Did he have kicks in his arsenal? He sure hasn't made the impact that Lee has.

Bruce Lee was not just a guy mixing arts together, sure some have done that before but who gives a shit it's always been done to some degree, Lee just did it better than anyone else when he was alive period, and he did it in all ranges.

You ignorant knob. Kano's Judo was nothing to do with the Olympic Sport of Judo that we see todays. It had atemi waza (strikes and kicks to a dick like you) and kicked ass against all comers. It became a sport after the Second World war when the Americans forbade the Japanese to train in real martial arts.

As for Fairbairn not making impact? He helped design the style of fighting that kept us all free from 1,000 years of Nazi rule, ya dim turd.

Bruce had the "big impact" because of the big films, vibrator features. But for those hardly anyone inthe world would have heard of him. That doesn't do Bruce down. Its just a fact that it was film exposure that brought him to the attention of the masses.


akja - I still don't get what you mean. Can you try again? I do want to understand.

[Nutz]

Re: DRG

Originally posted by DRG
"the subject is not really of interest to me. Bruce Lee was great for alot of reasons wether he won or not - he was still a great man and an Icon"

Exactly Chris, Bruce didn't lose but definately didn't win as handily as he wanted either.

But some of you guys are so full of shit it's dribbling out your mouth. Serrada especially. There is no way that Sifu Dan would ever say a thing like that even if it was true, he after all this time is still in awe of what Bruce could do. Secondly Long Dong Wong Jack Off Man couldn't hold my jock much less Bruce's.

Huey you're full of it too although some of what you say is true Bruce could be arrogant. But everyone that knows anything about Bruce knows that he didn't fall for the Chi tricks, and a strong immovable base doesn’t necessarily mean you can fight. If you ask me anyone claiming that they are invincible because of Chi is asking to get knocked down to size, the Tai Chi master got what he deserved. Not that there is anything wrong with Tai Chi I do it myself, but not to cultivate Chi, I think it is a good warm-up, stretching, balance, mind quieting, concentration, focus, meditation exercise, but if it builds Chi then so does everything else we do that is athletic.

You guys should really have more respect for a great innovator and teacher of the martial arts, no one has matched Bruce’s contribution so far except for maybe Sifu Dan who will always think of Bruce as his teacher.

No Bruce was not the superman badass he played on the screen he was just way ahead of everybody of his time and 99.9999999 percent of the people out there right now. Bruce was human and made mistakes. And I guarantee he could kick all of our asses.

Bravo. Well said.