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And who is wong jak man? how come he needs to use other peoples name just to elevate his status? Is he a loser, who needs to use other people's name just to promote himself.?
Why don't just he be called WONG JACK Man and be recognize by people.Comment
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Wong Jack Man doesn't use Bruce's name to elevate his status. Where did you get that from? Sifu Wong retired from teaching in 2005 and hasn't been seen since. Even when he was around he never did any public interviews on this subject besides the Official Karate article. I was his student at one time and I can tell you for certain that he didn't lose. Bruce was a hothead and it was in part because of him that this totally false version of what happened has been perpetuated (that was before Wong got him to shut up by publicly challenging him). Even after years of Wong being painted out to be a villain and a dishonorable coward he still never publicly defended himself. He shunned the public eye completely. He told me and my kung fu brothers that he didn't want to have anything to do with magazines or press people at all. This has always been frustrating for many of us but out of respect most of us have been silent in defending him because they're are too many Bruce Lee worshipping fanatics in the world. Bruce is a hero mainly because of his movies. It's not like he ever fought anyone of note or really proved himself as a great fighter so why do so many ignorant dumbasses like to say he was "the greatest fighter in the world." He only started getting really good after his fight with Wong Jack Man so what does that tell you?Comment
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What this tells is that there's 2 side to every story and nobody seems to have Lee's and that this topic has become so incredibly boring that I can't believe all you Bruce and Wong fans are still harping on about something that allegedly might or might not have happened 40 odd years ago.
Build a bridge and get over it.Comment
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A Few Thoughts
Siu: A few thoughts...
"Bruce was a hothead and it was in part because of him that this totally false version of what happened"
Bruce Lee had a massive ego and a quick temper. Even his critics, however, acknowledge that he spoke his mind and was not one to tell tall tales. He demanded the truth not only of himself, but from others as well. Your claim that Lee's brief mention of his fight with Wong Jack Man was "totally false," does not hold any water. The late James Yimm Lee was present at this fight and his reputation was above reproach. James Lee was a quiet man, but when he spoke, people listened. It was James Lee who called Wong Jack Man "The Runner," and his version of the story closely resembled the brief mention by Bruce Lee.
"Even after years of Wong being painted out to be a villain and a dishonorable coward he still never publicly defended himself."
Outside of Bruce Lee fans, this does not seem to be the prevailing sentiment among martial artists. I've read several versions of why the two men decided to duke it out, but the mere fact that they did engage in a no-holds barred fight eliminates any notion that Wong Jack Man was a coward.
"Bruce is a hero mainly because of his movies."
I could type several pages about why Bruce Lee's impact went beyond his short movie career.
"It's not like he ever fought anyone of note or really proved himself as a great fighter so why do so many ignorant dumbasses like to say he was "the greatest fighter in the world."
Your comment about not fighting "anyone of note," confuses me. Are you referring to the tired adage of Bruce Lee never proving himself because he never competed in point tournaments? I've always found that a student's skill level is a reflection of his or her Sifu. Bruce Lee's students are a literal Who's Who of bad asses. Jesse Glover, James DeMile, Leroy Garcia, Patrick Strong, Ed Hart, James Lee, Bob Baker, Howard Williams, Al Novak, Larry Hartsell, Dan Lee, and Bob Bremer are all legitimate tough guys who were in awe of Bruce Lee's talent.Comment
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I think one part of this story one man lived and the other died a legend frozen in time. The man who lived wong jack man regardless of what happened had to continue living and teaching probably alwasy been asked about the time bruce lee kicked his ass, so of course he will have to counter that and say he kicked his ass etc. It doesnt matter really because bruce lee changed direction in his training and thats what happens when you fight....each fight takes you to a new place and you grow and keep growing. Most people dont fight, they just pile on more and more guesswork and analogy or whatever without practical sense.Comment
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Yes, but I've never seen anyone completely change their style after winning a fight. Especially against a grandmaster. I've known fighters to change their game a little bit but not as drastically as Bruce did. That's all you ever hear, that he realized Wing Chun was insufficient after this particular fight (why Wing Chun guys worship him I have no idea). Oh, and why was Wing Chun insufficient? Because you can't beat someone up who's running away from you? What kind of BS is that? There's a difference between side stepping and dodging your opponent while you're backing up and running away. Bruce realized that his head on, straight line attacks were lacking. So lacking that he wouldn't take up Sifu Wong on his public challenge I guess.Comment
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Oh, did you guys notice how Anderson Silva just kept running around Demian Maia? Demian just couldn't touch him. I wasn't there but I'll bet the BL/WJM fight was similiar. Let's face it, Bruce couldn't touch him. Why else would he get so pissed off at himself and change his whole style and outlook on fighting completely? Of course, we all know he was an ego maniac and that he was likely to trash talk afterward. I heard he had to get his friend to back him up when he went to Wong Sifu's work 'cause he was so pissed about the article in The Chinese Pacific Weekly where Wong laid it out how he schooled Bruce. It was only a draw because of the unpredictable ending.
A lot of people don't know that after the smoke cleared it's not like they were enemies or anything. Linda Lee should take back some of the things she's said and change the JKD Foundation's official stance on this fight.Comment
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I think everyone should just get over it.Comment
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Who the Phuck was this Wong Jak Man.
He was no Pro fighter, just an amateur!! Who did he fought more than Bruce.
I dont know if Bruce won or lose..but I dont believe Bruce was that good.
I have my doubts, I think its more the legend and Movies that made him more than he really was.
JKD the phylosophy i believe is a very wise one. But thinking Bruce as undefeated hmmm Naaaaaahhhh.Comment
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I don't think I would call someone who's an established master at Northern Shaolin, Hsing Yi, and Tai Chi an amateur. He was a grandmaster sent to San Francisco to establish the first successful Jing Mo in America. He was not an amateur.Comment
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I commented on this thread years ago, and it is still alive. A blast from the past. In the long run, it does not matter, except
that if Linda has been perpetuating a hoax for all these years, those of us who might like to contribute to
the BLF might like to know the truth. However, it makes no difference as far as Jeet Kune Do is concerned. 3rd and 4th gen. students
of the art have to develop the art further, notwithstanding the events of 1965 and an argument that can never be resolved.Comment
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Can't we all just get along?Comment
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