Tang soo do or wing chun kung fu

[brokenelbow]

....it's like how karate and tae kwon do came about. u had a korean and a japanese guy to china to learn kung fu. they didn't learn everything but the korean took what he learned and made it tae kwon do, and the japense guy went back to japan and made karate.

That's the dumbest thing I've read. Check that, second dumbest thing I've heard. Here's #1 !!!!

If you can hit forcefully your non-kungfu opponent using your wingchun hand attacks ratio is 20:2 (you hit him 20times while he hit you only once, and a 1 trading blow equals to only 2 hits.)
if its true then it is a true wingchun art and school.

Note:
trading blows is like you hit him while he hit you simultaenously

CONVINCED???????

[sherwinc]

That's the dumbest thing I've read. Check that, second dumbest thing I've heard. Here's #1 !!!!

Question:
do you know even the opening stance of wingchun, the purpose of its two extension hands in the opening form?

it is used to break your elbow, that is what i said before, in KungFu - what you see is not......

and maybe that is the reason why you broke your elbow (brokenelbow)

CONVINCED?????

[Tiger Claw]

That doesn't make any sense.

[m.artist]

That's the dumbest thing I've read. Check that, second dumbest thing I've heard. Here's #1 !!!!

ok...it may be the dumbest thing you have ver read..ok thats fine...but it's also true so...you not accepting that is pretty dumb if you ask me

[IPON]

how do you know if a certain wing chun school is bad or not and what kinda questions would you ask them if it was your first time signing up for classes

Well I would ask:

What is his lineage

How long he trained

Is training for street application*
This is a big point WC is one of teh few MA that really isn't an art is was designed only for fighting period there should be no other way to teach it.

How long will it take to learn all 3 forms*
this to me is a boig one I have talked to instructors that say I can teach you all forms in 4-6months. I think this is a big mistake.

Ask how WC can combat grappling styles. It is a weakness of WC but the point really is how the instructor answers the question. If they give you the WC is indestructable " say thank you and walk out. the instructor should be able to adress the issue with specifics becuase it should be adressed in class.

Also, will the instructor accomodate change or is it "I am teaching you exactly as it was taught to me". Now this isn't always bad (traditional) but there should always be consideration for change.

[sherwinc]

Well I would ask:

What is his lineage

How long he trained

Is training for street application*
This is a big point WC is one of teh few MA that really isn't an art is was designed only for fighting period there should be no other way to teach it.

How long will it take to learn all 3 forms*
this to me is a boig one I have taled to instructors that say I can teacj you all forms in 4-6months. I think this is a big mistake.

Ask how WC can combat grappling styles. It is a weakness of WC but the point really is how the instructor answers the question. If they give you the WC is indestructable " say thank you and walk out. the instructor should be able to adress the issue with specifics becuase it should be adressed in class.

Also, is there change or is it "I am teaching you exactly as it was taught to me". Now this isn't always bad but there should always be consideration for change.

you have a point but it is not entirely correct......

the only thing you'll know if your WingChun is great or not, fake or a true traditional is:

1. after 3 years of training, your wingchun kungfu should be a far more superior, try to spar a black belt karate and if the ratio of point hitting is 2:20 (wingchun hit karate 20times while karate hit wingchun only 2times but it is a trading blow hit by karate) assuming all 20 punches delivered has power and more power in every hit at all vulnerable points..... then it is a true wingchun art.

note:
you'll know whether your kungfu is great or not if it test on a no rules sparring with other non-kungfu martial arts.

my leisure time is sparring with my black belt karate, boxing, tae kwon do, tang soo do, kick boxing(not muay thai type of kick boxing), aikido but they all failed..... frequently, the ratio is 2:20, 4:17, 0:8 etc etc etc.

I am telling the truth, its a waste of time, money, effort, waste of sharing knowledge, debate if i will tell a lie and convince all of you in a wrong direction....

there are many fake kungfu here in our place but as you see, non of them fake kungfu's win in a free style (fake kungfu versus black belt karate, fake kungfu versus experienced boxer) cause their kungfu is FAKE!!!!!

if the ration is 2:20 etc... then your kungfu is a true traditional art.

Note:
one of the many reasons why you learn true kungfu but still you defeat is:
1. you did not emphasize blocking (defensive moves)
2. giving importance of fist sets or kata (set patterns) and not training or FOUNDATION TRAINING.

even if you hit him 20times if there's no power then 20hand attacks hit is a waste.....

[Thai Bri]

Well, WC must be more powerful than I thought.

Sherwinc here is clearly punch drunk.

[Tiger Claw]

Maybe he is a special ed wing chun practitioner.

[IPON]

Maybe he is a special ed wing chun practitioner.

LOL and takess the short bus to the WC classes

[IPON]

you have a point but it is not entirely correct.....

What am I not entirely correct about? The question by Nemes1s was:


"how do you know if a certain wing chun school is bad or not and what kinda questions would you ask them if it was your first time signing up for classes"

I just gave suggestions, certainly not a complete list but if you have additional suggestions on questions he could ask the instructor please provide them and stop the ranting about kung fu

[sherwinc]

What am I not entirely correct about? The question by Nemes1s was:


"how do you know if a certain wing chun school is bad or not and what kinda questions would you ask them if it was your first time signing up for classes"

I just gave suggestions, certainly not a complete list but if you have additional suggestions on questions he could ask the instructor please provide them and stop the ranting about kung fu

The only way to know that you did really practice a good art of kungfu is thru fighting with no rules, example is.... a street fight....

after 3years of training in each category of KungFu, all of your kungfu fist thrown forcefully and powerful and the ratio of hit with you and your opponent at around 2:22 is considered to be a true kungfu art.....

but if the ratio of hit is at around 10:14 is considered a bad kungfu, even 12:12 is also a very bad kungfu.

the best ratio is 2:22 which means: karate hit me once while i already hit that karate man 10 times using my kungfu, then he hit me again once while i hit him again another 12 hand attacks.... assuming that both fighters have an equal power hand strikes.....

for me, that is the only way to prove that you really learn a true kungfu art, cause that is the frequent ratio when i fight with a ShorinRyuKarate and Tae Kwon Do here in the Philippines using my interchangeable branches of kungfu....

i start learning kungfu since 1989 and up to now 2004. All solid kungfu even when i sleep, dinner, walking to school / job, feeling lonely, entertainment, pasttime, leisure time, all solid kungfu and no other non-kungfu arts. I am a very kungfu addict and that is the reason why i did achieve this ratio of hit with my opponent which seems imposible for you to achieve it.....

allowing yourself to mix your kungfu with a non-kungfu art is a disaster.... deterioration.

CONVINCED?????

[Crabpuff]

Well if your kung fu is so good and you can hit him 20 times to his 2 how come he is able to get of a 2 punch. You might be really fast but, hit like a bitch. I'm sorry if i don't have some superman real life example, but when i spar with my Sifu (who does not hit at a ratio of 2:20) at 3 quick strategic hits i am at least stunned, and that is with gloves on. So maybe in order for us to be "CONVINCED" you might wanna get a hold of a digital camera and film yourself and then post a link for us to see.

[jubaji]

The only way to know that you did really practice a good art of kungfu is thru fighting with no rules, example is.... a street fight....

You have never been in a street fight. The only fight you have ever been in is your obvious struggle with reality. Freak!

[Crabpuff]

You have never been in a street fight. The only fight you have ever been in is your obvious struggle with reality. Freak!

No his kung fu is weak because you are really suppose to beat up 20 guys for every 2 punches . I am weak i can only do 19 but is i practice a lot and am a kung fu freak i can do it.

[jubaji]

No his kung fu is weak because you are really suppose to beat up 20 guys for every 2 punches . I am weak i can only do 19 but is i practice a lot and am a kung fu freak i can do it.

Well, that's more reasonable!