Seikido (akido and tae kwan do) or Hapkido

[Marku]

pressure points+joint locks+throws+some kicks etc

[m.artist]

was it only hkd? or did it have some tkd in it?

[hurkchoomaster]

sirmattu,
Hapkido is considered by many as the martial art of self defense. it incompasses the whole myraid of practical self defense skills that can be used by any person regardless of size or strength. I like to call it the james bond of martial arts. Your opponent closes in on you and wham! You use whatever he gives you.

and i agree with you on the kicking statement. a well placed back kick to the solar plexus is just that....a well placed kick!!! its never the system that doesn't work its the timing of the skill performed by the individual that may be ineffective!

mastereddie

[avelocci]

I had roughly the same options and if i could do it all over again i'd go for the jui-jitsu. The seikido looks pretty good though, and since they are using the philosophy of Aikido (not TKD which might be somewhat farefetched) I'd check it out. But make sure wherever you go isn't a MCdojo, you'll regret it.

Sincerly,
Andrew Velocci

[bvermillion]

The hapkido I am taking involves the kicks and punches similar to that of taekwondo. We also cover weapons: rope, stick, knife and gun. Hapkido's main draw are joint locks. You learn locks from every percievable position as well as many throws. Hapkido is alot like aikido but they differ in that aikido is more spiritually based and hapkido doesn't really get into that aspect as much. Aikido excludes preemptive striking as well and believes in pure self defense. Hapkido teaches numerous preemptive attacks.

[m.artist]

The hapkido I am taking involves the kicks and punches similar to that of taekwondo. We also cover weapons: rope, stick, knife and gun. Hapkido's main draw are joint locks. You learn locks from every percievable position as well as many throws. Hapkido is alot like aikido but they differ in that aikido is more spiritually based and hapkido doesn't really get into that aspect as much. Aikido excludes preemptive striking as well and believes in pure self defense. Hapkido teaches numerous preemptive attacks.

hmm...tha'ts kew
so....does it have katas?

[hurkchoomaster]

it depends on the style of hapkido and the master of the dojang. certain masters teach both hapkido and tae kwon do and realize that learning forms from both styles can be a bit much.
eddie arnold III

[Nothingness]

I have one question, though. Please dont take me wrongly, but I really want to learn.

All Aikido technics require kuzushi or balance breaking before executing the technics. I am sure that Hapkido is using a similar principal. I don't think it is a problem to execute the kuzushi (or what ever the Korean name is) for a person with lesser expertise.



My question is, how do you apply the "kuzushi" for people that resist or people that are more experienced?


TIA

[IPON]

Simply put, you have to set-up the upbalancing if it not immediately available. this could be in the form of kicks or strikes.

[bvermillion]

Where I study hapkido there are no forms. I have been very unsucessful at finding hapkido forms though many people have told me they do exist. I have found some weapons forms but they dont seem any different then any weapons forms from other styles. They are just taught in hapkido dojangs. And as far as balance breaking. I think alot of people try to put too many ties between hapkido and aikido. Hapkido is a korean martial art that uses the same three chinese characters as aikido. The arts techniques bear little resemblance to those of aikido. I would like to compare hapkido's throws are closer to those of judo. Almost every hapkido throw starts as a joint lock. Throws are just the natural transition. Say you grab my wrist and I twist my hand regrab and twist your hand the opposite way it is suppose to go. What happens you either get a broken wrist or you go down. There are some throws that dont start as joint locks. They are practically the same as a judo throw. I like to look at hapkido as almost like an eclectic art. It has changed with the times. They didn't have guns when hapkido first came around but most hapkido schools teach gun disarms. Here is a pretty good synopsis of hapkido.

Hapkido teaches techniques in fighting ranges from kicking and striking to joint locking, immobilization on the ground. Techniques are formulated for use in everyday situations. Defensively, students learn varying degrees of force from joint locks to controlling an attacker without causing permanent damage to choking techniques and vital point strikes that can cause severe damage if neccessary to save the practioners life. Hapkido allows the student to focus on attacking the weakest part of an opponent, for example a vital point or vulnerable joint using a stronger technique. In addition to this strong against weak principle, Hapkido emphasizes using the opponents strength against him. Defensive techniques favour a circular pattern designed to weaken the oncoming attack and, at the same time, strengthen a couter movement.

Sorry this post is so jumbled and out of order. Oh and sorry for the length.

[hurkchoomaster]

People move really easy when there is a thumb in their neck or your shin in their thigh. As IPON stated vital and unexpected stikes and kick are the best to loosen an attacker up. Also the use of a great circle helps if they are resisting in one spot pull them out of that spot and use your technique.
blessings
eddie arnold III

[IPON]

Where I study hapkido there are no forms.

Where I study there are forms (not many) and weapon forms (bong, sword, knife etc).


Regarding HKD and Aikido, remember that both Osensei and Grandmaster Choi studied Daito Ryu Aiki Jujutsu from he same instructor.

[Nothingness]

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the replies. I understand the balance breaking staring with strikes and joint locks; they are very similar to Kodokan Goshin Jutsu in Judo. What puzzles me is the way Aikidokas do the balance breaking. In the practices that I have seen, I see that the uke is really cooperating (no flame intended).

[Marku]

the place i went to used TKD patterns but taught Hapkido/Yudo moves seperate. (Yudo is korean version of Judo if you didnt know)

[bvermillion]

This doesn't neccesarily pertain to your dojang but from my personal experience about 85% of all dojangs that teach tkd and hkd; teach terrible hkd. If you study hkd you have no need for tkd.There is nothing taught in tkd you wont learn hkd. But lets remember hkd is definately not just tkd with joint locks. Hkd's kicks are more self defense based.