wheel/ spinning hook kick?

[sirmattu]

i'm flexible but i can't keep my foot in the position needed? can anyone help me?

[rocknrollrjm]

which foot?? when? what do ya mean?

[wardancer]

If you want to launch the kick with the right leg. You need to 'cross' by stepping your left foot across/in front of your right foot. Then twist your body in order to see your opponent and then release your right foot/left.
Overall, fancy kick but useless in a fight.

[sirmattu]

If you want to launch the kick with the right leg. You need to 'cross' by stepping your left foot across/in front of your right foot. Then twist your body in order to see your opponent and then release your right foot/left.
Overall, fancy kick but useless in a fight.

i do don't think so, i take kick boxing from a guy that used to be pro, and he knocks out some of his fighters with a spinning hook kick.

[wardancer]

You are missing the point!
Does my explanation of how I do a spinning hook kick ok or not?
If you took lesson from a guy that claims that he perform such kick in KO situation, why do you bother asking us about how to perform it?
Ask him?

[Jaguar Wong]

I have to wonder (along with wardancer), why aren't you asking your instructor, since he seems very capable of performing (and using) the kick?

As for how I do it, you can either step across like wardancer suggested, or you can pivot your lead foot all the way around, pointing the heel to the front (you would also have to twist your hips and your lead shoulder), whip your head around, plant your pivot foot (flat, not on the ball or heel, and keep the knee slightly bent) and then do the kick.

The cross step makes the kick easier, but a lot slower. The lead leg pivot lets you do the kick as part of a counter attack, or combination (or right after a shuffle step backwards or off angling). But IMO, a spinning backfist (ala Shonie Carter) would be a higher percentage attack if you really like spinning I love trying the spinning hook kick in a sparring environment, but I have a feeling that once we start putting the takedowns and groundfighting back into the mix I'd be much more cautious about trying it.

[shasan]

The kick is a good follow up to a misplaced roundhouse that has you turning all the way around because you missed. In this situation, it's easy to do it the way Jaguar Wong said, it may help to phrase it differently:

say you're kicking with the right leg.

1. twist and plant your left foot with the heel pointing toward the opponent (at this point you're facing AWAY from the opponent, with BOTH heels usually pointed toward the opponent). If you bend over at the waist at this stage (not more than 25-40 degrees I would say), the kick seems to get easier, especially if you have flexibility issues and you want to kick high.

2. Whip your head and hands around first (so you can see where the target is and so you have your guard up). At this point your right foot is still on the ground.

3. then RELEASE your right leg - there should be some tension/torque built up because you have twisted your torso around, now you're sort of 'un-twisting' your body and letting the leg whip around at the desired height.

4. as soon as you make contact with the target HOOK your heel in towards your butt.(contact is preferrably made with your heel, sometimes you get the extra range with the sole of your foot, but it doesn't hit as hard).

it's my favourite kick, feels good, lots of power behind it.. if you can make contact, chances of KO are very high.

[Jaguar Wong]

... if you can make contact, chances of KO are very high.

that's the key phrase right there .

You can add many techniques in there as well, like the flying cross chop that Starman used in the Nintendo Pro Wrestling game. In all seriousness, though. You're right, if you land that kick, it hits very hard, and even if you don't get the KO, your opponent would be wide open for anything else you want to follow with.

But still...Spinning or jumping is very risky against anyone with any real sense of timing or distancing.

[CHOKE UK]

Have to totally agree with what Wardancer and Jaguar wong have said.

You're instructor seems to be so effective with this kick in full contact matches then surely he is the man to ask?

It depends where you plan to use this kick?

If you are talking full-contact muay thai or vale tude or the street,
then my advice to you is,
only used it if you don't mind running the risk of being knocked clean out!!!

It is a fancy looking kick that if/when it lands looks good.
But if it misses, against a decent fighter, you can be very vulnerable.
For that reason I am not sure I agree with shasan!

But you say your instructor has a proven track record with it,
however, aganst who?
What caliber of fighter has he used it on?


Howver, if it is strictly for karate kumite then follow the good descriptions avised by Wardance and Jaguar.
But this is an awkward kick to explain to someone it is best to demonstrate rather than explain, so your instructor is ther best bet.

It certainly is an attractive looking kick and once you master it, very fast easy to throw.
But a word of caution, unless it's for Karate, you may well find out the hard way that this kick is not the most practical and efficent of kicks in a fight against a decent fighter, unless your names Bill Wallace!

Good luck hope you become bill wallace the 2nd !

[shasan]

It is a fancy looking kick that if/when it lands looks good.
But if it misses, against a decent fighter, you can be very vulnerable.
For that reason I am not sure I agree with shasan!

I see what you're saying, and it's not something that gets used often in fights, whether street or ring. Certainly not as a leading/opening attack. However, as a defensive tool, I think it has its place, say if you get turned around by missing a roundhouse (of course, there's always the spinning backfist, not as much range on that).

Also, if you miss a spinning hook kick, you usually are whipping around towards the front, and if you have your guard up, it may not be that bad. Honestly, whenever I've thrown the kick when sparring and missed, it's because the guy was out of range anyway and didn't advance as I had expected. Part of the reason is that I prolly threw the kick without really looking at the target first (which is the wrong way to do it ).

Where I agree with you is having a decent fighter closing the gap really quick WHILE you're throwing the kick. That would suck.

It has a lot of vulnerabilities, that's for sure. But there isn't a more powerful kick out there I would say.

[CHOKE UK]

Shasan good to see u have an open mind of this topic.

But an important point many people over look is that,
it doesnt matter how hard a kick is,
if it cant be applied!

Application of a kick is what determines a good kick.
The ability to land it on the opponent.

Any kick not delivered properly can leave you vulnerable to your opponent.

i.e. a simple front kick not delivered properly and the withdrawn can leave you vulnerable, but this hook kick is much more risky.

Personally, I dont like "risky",
it's how a fight is either won spectacularly or thrown away!

I just dont see any reason to use this kick.
there are so many other things to do in that situation.

A good fighter wont get caught by it,
he will "set-u-up" and there are a number of things to wipe the hook kicker out!.

All that glitters is not gold!

Stick with simple kicks!

If you like power, I would say that the spinning back kick can be as powerful and is more practical

[sirmattu]

what ever dude....

[CHOKE UK]

very articulate response, hope your kicking skills r better!!! lol

[sirmattu]

they're pretty good thank you