Tae Kwon Do is not as Old as some think

[Ollis]

Just to clarify Judo and "karate" started prior to last century. The Kodakan opened in 1882.

That's why I said in the grand scheme of things. I know judo pre-dates the 20th century, however, Kodakan judo was a lot purer in application then what most people associate with sport judo as we know it today.

Also karate or Te had been knocking around in Okinawa in various forms for a lot longer, but it wasn't adopted in the Japanese mainland until the 20th century when Gichin Funakoshi introduced it. Don't ask me to quote dates.

My main point is, people refer to these "ancient" fighting arts like they have some kind of mysticism attached, yet you don't hear people discussing the ancient art of soccer or rugby, although these sports probably pre-date many of the martial arts practiced today.

[IPON]

Hey Ollis - agree with your post (I neglected to type that part I thought I did) I know they were just illustrations for your point.

[MatthewAlphonso]

if you really wanted to get into it, the Japanese and Chinese owe a debt to the people of India for Kalari Payattu. almost all Asian arts came out of India*. K.P. is considered the oldest complete combat style to still be practiced today. Even then, however, some of the K.P. techniques come out of Greek Pankration (mostly the grappling and the take them to the ground and beat them until their face resembles modern art). K.P. has striking, grappling, weapons (some of them quite unique), it even has mysticism (use of Prana or Chi), it also incorporates yoga, yogic breathing and eventually incorporated buddhist meditation. So, how old is TKD (or any other martial art for that fact)? As old as K.P. 5,000 years old.


* The Indian origin of Martial Arts is verified by the fact that some of Kung Fu’s fighting position terminologies – still used by some masters today – are original 5,000-year-old Sanskrit names.

[jubaji]

if you really wanted to get into it, the Japanese and Chinese owe a debt to the people of India for Kalari Payattu. almost all Asian arts came out of India*.

But what about the Jaoans?

[47MartialMan]

if you really wanted to get into it, the Japanese and Chinese owe a debt to the people of India for Kalari Payattu. almost all Asian arts came out of India*. K.P. is considered the oldest complete combat style to still be practiced today. Even then, however, some of the K.P. techniques come out of Greek Pankration (mostly the grappling and the take them to the ground and beat them until their face resembles modern art). K.P. has striking, grappling, weapons (some of them quite unique), it even has mysticism (use of Prana or Chi), it also incorporates yoga, yogic breathing and eventually incorporated buddhist meditation. So, how old is TKD (or any other martial art for that fact)? As old as K.P. 5,000 years old.


* The Indian origin of Martial Arts is verified by the fact that some of Kung Fu’s fighting position terminologies – still used by some masters today – are original 5,000-year-old Sanskrit names.

I very much agree. India and Egypt goes far back. From what one of my history professors had told me long ago, although he wasn't a martial artist, but he traces mankind's war-fare (which martial arts are linked to).

India send it forth to Asians (Japan, Korea, China)
Egypt sent it forth to Mespotanian, Greek, Europe.

[medic06]

But what about the Jaoans?

Oh, they were an ancient advanced civilization which traded commerce and ideas to the Asian world. Unfortunately, they didn't practice groundfighting so they got wiped out by the Brazilians

[jubaji]

Oh, they were an ancient advanced civilization which traded commerce and ideas to the Asian world. Unfortunately, they didn't practice groundfighting so they got wiped out by the Brazilians

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[47MartialMan]

brazil sucks

[medic06]

Brazil nuts?

[47MartialMan]

Brazil nuts?

FUNNY.....