Why is TKD retarded?

[zhorner]

i have a lot of posts to reply to here so here we go

andrew wa - have you had your sleep over and watched the movie yet...okay, then never bash wrestling again. also, the gi comment was directed strictly towards tkd, but if any other martial art takes offense, then just come to oklahoma and beet me up and i will learn my lesson. i do not think i am so nhb, but that is what i train in. i refer to it the most because of my respect for it. i honestly do not get into many fights, but i do spar a lot with a muay thai guy and my takedowns work pretty well. i agree you cannot rely on wrestling alone. it is just part of what you need. i personally pick muay thai (standup), wrestling (takedowns), and jui-jutsu (ground fighting).
you should not even get mad at me for bashing tkd, i have stated numerous times that i am an idiot. i am also a piece of shit. but all joking and differing opinions aside, you should really buy the smashing machine dvd, tkd or not, you will like it. and you might even think of changing your fighting style.

academian - from what i understand, their is a big difference between kenpo and tkd. very good decision switching. i am glad that you agree with me. i too enjoy the debate. i would really like to bash kenpo, but i have no experience in it, and chuck liddell proves that it is no joke.

so to keep the discussion going.......tkd is stupid, the kicks are ineffective and weak. the first kata is handy capped. i would love to see someone get into a fight and do it. they would parish.

[eXcessiveForce]

enough children. this thread has no point and no meaningful dialog.


there are many different systems of TKD, the techniques do vary, I've train in a few of them.

It is not easy to knock out someone who is shooting in. It can be done and does happen on occasion. I prefer the Guiloteen (sp) when I can hit it. Which to date has been about 75% of the time if I had to take a guess.


Wrestling can be effective, it teaches good positioning and flow on the ground, it just needs to be tweaked to make it effective in a fight.

Stances are training tools, as are Kata, the teach technique and body mechanics. BJJ has the same thing they are just done differently because you are on your back.

the way I have trained, I found most everything I learned in MT in the system of TKD I studied. However I did find that my original instructors did not teach it effectively. But we had thai kicks and thai elbows and knees. I found very little new in MT. I did find the conditioning superior and that the emphasis on flow between knees, kicks and elbows to be more fluid than what is generally taught in most TKD systems.

I am curious Z what system of TKD are you learning at your college and who is the instructor and their background and rank.

[zhorner]

I am curious Z what system of TKD are you learning at your college and who is the instructor and their background and rank.

all the syllabus says is...
mr. bryan 4th degree black belt

he never said a specific system. he did call it "dirty" tkd because he incorporates moves from other MA. i assume he is just teaching us your standard/common tkd found everywhere, and he teaches his "dirty" tkd at his dojo or whatever you call it.

[eXcessiveForce]

Hmmm, that's strange,

What forms/kata are you learning, I am assuming that he has told you the names.

[zhorner]

Hmmm, that's strange,

What forms/kata are you learning, I am assuming that he has told you the names.

chung gi or chung chi, i dont know what the hell he says. it goes as follows.
stand
look left
downward block/step to left
step with back leg into forward balance stance and punch
turn 180 degrees another downward block
step punch ect.......

we have learned about 3 stances and i shit load of moves. i am not going to start on the effectives of them.

[IPON]

He studied both along with judo JKD and others but there is little difference between TSD and TKD

Ummm...there is a difference between TSD and TKD!! also, I am not sure about the Judo I know he studied BJJ with the Machado brothers

[academian]

I do not remember any thing like that from my training. I think it is supposed to be called chungji or is it jubaji

[zhorner]

I do not remember any thing like that from my training. I think it is supposed to be called chungji or is it jubaji

yeah, chungji is right, i didnt know how to spell it.

[academian]

that is the first kata I will try to find a clip so you can see if it looks like what he is teaching(not that you would care anymore)

[academian]

It is chon-ji Hyung no clips yet I am still looking

[IPON]

if your statement about being knocked out when you shoot in is true, why are their so few knockouts in nhb when someone shoots in.

Perhaps it is becuase it is against the rules. Remember NHB is not truley NHB even vale tudo. I am not putting down NHB or VT but that is just the truth.

[zhorner]

Perhaps it is becuase it is against the rules. Remember NHB is not truley NHB even vale tudo. I am not putting down NHB or VT but that is just the truth.

since when is it illegal to knee someone in the chin when they shot in?

[academian]

Here is clips of most of the TKD hyungs http://www.natkd.com/video_clips.htm

[IPON]

since when is it illegal to knee someone in the chin when they shot in?

UFC rules: www.ufc.tv

Please note that "grounded" refers to on the ground in any context which includes shooting just FYI

UFC rules, as approved by the
Nevada State Athletic Commission - July 23, 2001
Fouls:
Butting with the head.
Eye gouging of any kind.
Biting.
Hair pulling.
Fish hooking.
Groin attacks of any kind.
Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
Small joint manipulation.
Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
Grabbing the clavicle.
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
Stomping a grounded opponent.
Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
Spitting at an opponent.
Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
Holding the ropes or the fence.
Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
Interference by the corner.
Throwing in the towel during competition.

[eXcessiveForce]

I think he is talking about striking the back of the head and neck.

that form is part of the Joon rhee system, there are more modern forms and systems of TKD out there.

Any instructor that calls his stuff dirty tkd and is not just playing up to the class or being funny is a moron.

The way we teach, you have boxing handwork, jabs, crosses, hooks, uppercuts. Footwork that is similar to boxing and Kali. Kicks that are TKD and MT (our system has both types of kicks) We have knees and elbows as well as open hand striking. In class we teach many different types of sparring based on what the student wants to learn. From Light contact to full contact, hands to the head restricted or allowed. Low kicks restricted or allowed. Gear and no gear at blackbelt level. I'll admit our knife work is stolen from JKD/Kali I threw out what was being taught and started using this instead as I found it more alive and effective.
there are also many types of TKD tournament out there. Don't think that what you have seen encompasses the whole world of TKD.

I cross train in BJJ and teach that to my students (although it is not our focus) All my junior instructors cross train when they can.