Hapkido!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tkdkid]

I generally find aikido a lot less effective than hapkido. their locks and groundwork itself is more effective than aikido. But that's just me. You shoudl definately study hapkido, I have studied the arts for one year in my old gym, but since i moved, I have been trainingby myself.

[ryanhall]

Spanky,
I get the feeling that last one was directed at me.

The principles are universal, yes. The moves and techniques aren't really what's important; an understanding of how to move and how to think is. That's the real art in fighting. Every fight or self-defense situation will be different, so everything other than the attributes you mentioned (mindset, speed, timing, power, etc.) falls by the wayside in terms of importance.

I wasn't comparing Hapkido to sport BJJ, I was just stating that the instructor had no idea what he was doing on the ground. He couldn't move at all, and with a year and a half of Judo under my belt, I was way ahead of everyone else in the class. Also, for reasons unknown, the nasty stuff (groin grabs, eye gouges, etc.) weren't even mentioned at any time during any class. It was low percentage of success techniques such as wrist locks and projection throws 24/7. That's what I had a problem with.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by tkdkid
I generally find aikido a lot less effective than hapkido. their locks and groundwork itself is more effective than aikido. But that's just me. You shoudl definately study hapkido, I have studied the arts for one year in my old gym, but since i moved, I have been trainingby myself.

I have a black belt in Aikido and Shorin-ryu. I am currently studying BJJ and MT. I had the priveledge here lately to fight a guy that was a black belt in TKD and Hapkido, and had alot of training in Judo. I told the guy I was gonna take him to the ground fast and he said it should be no problem with the Hapkido to stop me on the way in........didn't work out that way for him. I got on the inside when he tried a move I took him to the ground and had him in a shoulder lock before we hit the 20 second mark. Since the first match was so fast he wanted to go again so I agreed. The seond time he tried a standing Kimura to turn me around and get a choke. He could not get the move before I got him to the ground and he was struggling so much to get up he turned his back on me and I got the rear naked choke on him. If hapkido is so bad then how with my previous training and just the little BJJ training I have gotten in the last few months I could take him in under 30 seconds 2 times in a row. And don't say the guy was a chump because some buddies of mine told me this guy won state championships 3 times here in Louisiana........

[Tom Yum]

Truth be told, BJJ is a style that Helio Gracie created in the past 80 years from trial and error in challenge matches. He beat MAs from all styles in Brazil including TJJ! In a one on one challenge match, I would go with BJJ as the better style, but not necesarilly as the better fighter. I've sparred stand up with BJJ guys (who haven't cross trained) and have earned respect.

The reason why techniques are effective is because:

1. The Technique is new - in theold UFCs nobody knew what to expect from BJJ and thus could not defend. BJJ beat everyone until guys like Mo Smith started KO ing larger BJJ/Wrestlers with Muay Thai.

2. They are executed quickly when an opening appears.

Hapkido on the other hand is not ring proven, but certainly works. As a defense against a double lapel grab (the pulling kind) hapkidoists can trap the grabbing hands, ride the attacker's grabbing force to drive a headbutt into the attackers nose. Anyone here ever drop the equivalent human body weight - let's say 180 lbs on their nose while in the gym at leg-powered speed?

Hapkido is quite good at dealing with street wrestling and agressive bully tactics - headlocks, bear hugs, full nelson, arm grabbing etc. And has a good deal of dirty tricks with its yu sool (judo-based throws) and kwan jel sool (quick-TJJ based throws). HKD techniques lack mobility on the ground and don't work for superior position which puts it at a disadvantage against BJJ/Free style wrestling; but technique wise a guillotine is done the same way, as is a cross lapel choke, key lock or an armbar.

HKD finishing techniques are adapted for the ground and you don't start rolling until 2+ years into the art; wheras in BJJ you start from day one. Its no wonder that a good blue belt in BJJ could give a HKD BB trouble. Never the less in my 3rd BJJ class I submitted a 230lb white belt who dropped technique in favor of weight/brute strength. Yet I've been submitted in 20 seconds by a 140 lb purple belt. Rolling is fun and I'll grapple anyone - big/small, aggressive/strategic/patient; I'm allways learning and am allways in control of my state. When guys get red faced and start shoving, I can allmost allways secure an armbar in 4 variations.

I would recommend HKD over aikido for general self-defense for the beginner. For style vs. style competition, I borrow from it with my BJJ. BTW I have used wrist locks to assist in grappling and they work! The trick is to get the hand tied up in your gi - falcon if you have not taken advantage of this, you've forgotten aikido principles.

[falcon3624]

I can get wrist locks on people on the ground. The only time I have a problem is doing Vale Tudo. Sometimes it is hard with a kimono on as well because of the sweat. The trick is stabilizing the entire arm to get the wrist. Standing it's not hard because you don't necassarily have to stabilize the arm first. On the ground going for a wrist lock where you have to stabilize the arm you are also putting yourself in grave danger of being caught with a counter while focusing everything on the wrist.

[Tom Yum]

Any time your partner grabs your gi is a good time. Familiar with the escape for the cross body arm bar? The turning/pushing that your partner does changes the lever against his arm to relieve the pressure under his elbow while you have him in the armbar, but he rotates his hand for you while doing so and thus completes half of the move for you. Pin his palm to your gi with your thumb over the back of his hand and use your fingers under the pinky side (weakest side). As he performs the escape think about the directions you can bend his wrist; it can transition you into some other moves.

Something to think about; its a small circle technique, but perfectly legal.

[tkdkid]

It's the practiciner...I get the feeling you are trying to make Hapkido out as something that's less effective than aikido...wow, you practice aikido and you beat someone who does hapkido. i guess that means the whole aikido sysytemis better than hapkido. geez...stop trying to give hapkido a bad rep, and its founder too for that matter. Most of japanese martial arts as well as korean arts came from shoalin and china also. Besides from that as long as we are humans,no one truly invents an art, or a move...it's an individual hard work that makes that individual a great martial artist. They are all great arts in my opinion.

[blade_cs]

Originally posted by Monkey
Anything which is full contact and alive (competition TKD, boxing, jiu jitsu, kickboxing, wrestling, judo) is much better than any so called self defence system.

Exponents of the so called purely self defence martial arts get trashed in fights against fighters in the above combat sports.

Always choose a combat sport over a 'self defense' 'martial art' or 'system'.

You can either listen to me now, or you can go and waste a couple of years and then come to the same conclusion, i.e. find out the hard way.

Why do you say pure self defense martial arts isn't good?????

I mean, combat sports always have rules, but pure self defense doesn't.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by tkdkid
It's the practiciner...I get the feeling you are trying to make Hapkido out as something that's less effective than aikido...wow, you practice aikido and you beat someone who does hapkido. i guess that means the whole aikido sysytemis better than hapkido. geez...stop trying to give hapkido a bad rep, and its founder too for that matter. Most of japanese martial arts as well as korean arts came from shoalin and china also. Besides from that as long as we are humans,no one truly invents an art, or a move...it's an individual hard work that makes that individual a great martial artist. They are all great arts in my opinion.

1. I am not making Hapkido out to sound "less effective" than Aikido.

2. I am not trying to give Hapkido a bad rep or diss the guy that created it. I merely made a post about the origin of Hapkido compared to the origin of Aikido in relation to and there similarities to Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu.

3. I understand that all arts somewhere down the line originated from chinese systems. That does not mean that someone can not invent a move because I can show you several moves that any practitioner of a chinese martial art has never seen. So how were they invented if the chinese did not do it? Could it be that someone else might have come up with the move????

4. In my opinion all arts are equally as bad. They all have there strong points and they all have there weak points. Some have more weak points than strong ones.

5. I don't train in Aikido anymore as I have said several times already and I will say it again. I trained for several years in Aikido and Shorin-ryu. I quit at the age of 18 when I left for the military. I served in the 325th airborne regiment and went through all the H2H courses they do. Recently after moving back home I started taking BJJ and cross-train in MT. Although it is a BJJ class we also have people come in and teach some Judo techniques, as well as Aikido, Hapkido, and other martial arts. I only make observations about what I have saw, they are only my opinions and should only be taken as just that........an opinion........


OPINIONS ARE LIKE A@#HOLES. EVERYONES GOT ONE, BUT SOME STINK WORSE THAN OTHERS.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Spanky, I get the feeling that last one was directed at me.

No, not at all. It was directed at the board in general.

We've done away with a lof of the old 'If it's not BJJ it's CRAP' mentality on the forum.

Hapkido, Taekwondo, Karate and any other art taught in a strip mall where 11 year old black belts are running around pretty much destroys the credibility of said arts.

I wanted to illustrate that there are practicioners of arts out there who know a lot more than they teach the kiddies.

I do know one thing, crosstraining is a must! Otherwise you get way to comfortable in your own little world. It's nice to get a wakeup call!

(And no, that wasn't directed at you either. If I 'insult' you you'll damn sure know it, punk!)

Spanky

[Lizard]

"I understand that all arts somewhere down the line originated from chinese systems."

That's not true at all. What you meant was that all EASTERN martial arts systems came from china. What about western arts such as boxing, greco roman wrestling, jousting, fencing? What about ways of fighting developed by prehistoric tribes that were around before people even got to china?

[Szczepankiewicz]

And what about Martian Styles? THEY didn't start in China. No way! NO WAY!

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Lizard
"I understand that all arts somewhere down the line originated from chinese systems."

That's not true at all. What you meant was that all EASTERN martial arts systems came from china. What about western arts such as boxing, greco roman wrestling, jousting, fencing? What about ways of fighting developed by prehistoric tribes that were around before people even got to china?

Okay, let me rephrase what I said.

I know that all martial arts (on this planet) somewhere down the line originate from the first time the crazy caveman decided to cock back and bitch slap someone.

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by falcon3624


Okay, let me rephrase what I said.

I know that all martial arts (on this planet) somewhere down the line originate from the first time the crazy caveman decided to cock back and bitch slap someone.

Ok Spanky, Lizard...what about when the first ape discovered how to club another ape with its digits. Assuming that we are working with evolution here (?)

[GRACIEAUSTIN]

I own a 2nd degree Black Belt in Hapkido. It is a primative form of Jiu-Jitsu. Go to a good Jiu-Jitsu School. Or MMA school with Pro fighters (that are winning fights) training at the facility.