Defensive theories

[tkd_person89]

Something got me thinking, and I just had to share once again my thoughts. People say TKD sucks and that Muay THai is so much better. However, after much thinking I have come to the conclusion that the big underlying reason - yet, subtle - that TKD is bashed and MT praised is that TKD is highly defensive, while Muay Thai is highly offensive in nature.

That could be the reason certain people don't respect TKD.

I know i've made many TKD effectiveness posts and I'm sorry abou tthat after much thinking, this is the conclusion that I have reached and I want to know if anyone agrees.

Thoughts?

[Piston]

Absoloute bollocks.

[tkd_person89]

i dont quite understand. bollocks?

[Piston]

Sorry thats British lingo, it can mean many different things each depending on the word's context, it mostly means one's gonads however in this situation it means "what a load of garbage".

And I'll tell you why. TKD is by no means at all "defensive in nature", if you watch the best TKD fighters they are quite offensive. I think maybe where your getting mixed up is that because of the range that TKD affords a fighter, one's head is very much out of range, except to other "kicking styles".

To say MT is very offensive and not defensive is not wholly true either. Whilst MT can be very devastating, its defence is quite logical using the elbows, knees and shins to defend. These parts of the body can be very difficult to break, the knee and elbow when employed in an MT style become tight ball and socket joints of pure bone, and the shin is just simply a longish length of (often very well conditioned in the case of MT fighters) bone.

Stating that any martial art is "offensive" or "defensive" in its nature and its practitioners must apply it as such is again a load of bollocks. It all depends on the persons own style of fighting. For example Aikido is widely to perceived to be a very defensive MA, merely using the opponents own moment and strength to fling them away, with no strikes or "dangerous" techniques at all. However should the Aikido-ka (I think thats the correct terminology) choose to fling you into say, a brick wall, or window or a pavement, it suddenly becomes very deadly and offensive indeed.

And that the "bollocks" explained for you.

[tkd_person89]

I didn't mean Taekwondo was defensive in entirety.

I was just pointing out it was less offensive than Muay Thai. And I did not claim Muay Thai was without defense either.

[medic06]

Just my opinion, but I think MT is what TKD could have been, should have been if it wasn't watered down. . ..

[Piston]

I didn't mean Taekwondo was defensive in entirety.

I was just pointing out it was less offensive than Muay Thai. And I did not claim Muay Thai was without defense either.

I've just said that it depends on application. Its not the style that is less/more offensive it is the fighter.

[Piston]

I beg to differ medic, the two styles are worlds apart in my opinion.

MT focusing on close in fighting through its use of elbow and knee strikes, granted it does use its lengthier kicks to great effect but not in the same way as TKD does.

TKD places emphasis on kicking at an opponent where many others would strike with a fist/elbow or whatever. Tkd does actually have leg kicks, just because in TKD sparring leg kicks are disallowed does not mean that they are not taught, like the knees, elbow strikes and knife hand strikes that are also taught. If one was to look at the historical origins of each style one can see, that they are a comlpetely different animal. Hell completely different species.

[medic06]

I beg to differ medic, the two styles are worlds apart in my opinion.

MT focusing on close in fighting through its use of elbow and knee strikes, granted it does use its lengthier kicks to great effect but not in the same way as TKD does.

TKD places emphasis on kicking at an opponent where many others would strike with a fist/elbow or whatever. Tkd does actually have leg kicks, just because in TKD sparring leg kicks are disallowed does not mean that they are not taught, like the knees, elbow strikes and knife hand strikes that are also taught. If one was to look at the historical origins of each style one can see, that they are a comlpetely different animal. Hell completely different species.

Emphasis on SHOULD and COULD. . . .
Like I said, if it wasn't watered down. . . . .

[Piston]

Again it comes down to whether yuo're being taught at a McDojang or not. Remember TKD has only been around 50 or so years and not even that long in America so it hasn't had that much time to be diluted by piss-awful teachers. Yet.

[medic06]

I beg to differ. It has been watered down significantly since the 60s.

[tkd_person89]

Yup...

The McDojang situation is EXTREMELY and MOST severe in America. It is. Don't try to argue with this. It's fact.

I have friends from Korea who are really good at Taekwondo. Their dojangs and sahbunims work them really hard and they participate in hardcore sparring sessions.

[jubaji]

I have friends from Korea who are really good at Taekwondo. Their dojangs and sahbunims work them really hard and they participate in hardcore sparring sessions.

You don't have any friends in America who say the same?

[tkd_person89]

please stop taking a sarcastic approach to your posts...

I do in fact know people here that are very good at Taekwondo. Taekwondo is an awesome martial art. I agree just TKD alone is bad against MMA guys, but it is still really good, nonetheless.

Yes... There are definitely very good instructors in the United States. Some are helping the reform effort and trying to clean up the McDojang situation.

But the McDojang problem is the most severe here than anywhere else was my point.

[jubaji]

please stop taking a sarcastic approach to your posts....

No thank you.