TKD vs American Kickboxing

[Tom Yum]

Wow Tom Yum must be really behind the times or just idiotic..

Idiotic. Definitely idiotic..........your posts are.

First of all, the immature organizers said he was a "medalist". They didnt' specify what kind..

How were they immature? Where they 16 year olds?

Secondly, he was a kickboxer paid to say he was a Taekwondo artist. So do some research before saying this and that and TKD sucks or whatever.

Which fight?

See for yourself, kid.

Feel free to learn some manners while you're training tae kwon do.

[IPON]

I don't really beleive kick boxing is boxing plus muay thai I beleive its a new art entirely, you rarley see a kickboxer leaving his legs open as much as a boxer does.

You are right it has nothing to do with MT, it is an offshoot of full contact karate

[gabbah]

You are right it has nothing to do with MT, it is an offshoot of full contact karate

In my gym we learn BOXING. Boxing blocks, footwork (stance is higher though), bob and weave. Everything is boxing, but just a bit modified to handle and deliver kicks as well. We never duck down deep either.

As far as the kicks go, I read somewhere that the kickboxers saw the power in thai kicks so they incorporated the kicking of muay thai, instead of what they had before, which I think was karate kicks.

I must say though, that in my gym I don't think they do a good job of teaching muay thai kicks. I learned those from a guy there that has trained MT for a while.
The other students get to learn hook kicks, axe kicks and other kicks which I feel are way less effective than the traditional MT roundhouse. They do learn the roundhouse of course, don't get me wrong. But I just feel at a beginner level I don't want to spend time on kicks I can't use in full contact, because they're too weak or demand a very long training time to become effective.

[Maxx]

relating to an earlier remark about mixing boxing in with another MA i would have to disagree, you mentioned that they taught the punches but not the stance and footwork? Well, boxers legs are always left open to attack, why? because they aren't trained or experience being kicked in crucial points around the leg area, im sure you all can remember the first time you were kicked just above the knee on the outside and inside of your thigh, once it caught right it seriously hurts. I don't really beleive kick boxing is boxing plus muay thai I beleive its a new art entirely, you rarley see a kickboxer leaving his legs open as much as a boxer does.

I think I was the one who was making the stink about boxing earlier. With regard to some of the things that are not taught, including footwork, this is my personal stance: Experimentation.

In general, most boxers do leave leave themselves open for leg kicks and other nasty things that an experienced stand up fighter would do. But I tend to feel that this is due to the rules of the sport moreso than the actual footwork itself. I also feel that if you really want to incorporate elements from one martial art into another you cannot pick and choose techniques simply from observation. You have to immerse yourself in that art, learn as much as you can, and develop the techniques, attributes and mindset that go along with it. Once you have gotten to that point you can certainly choose to discard those things that you find don't work for you as a fighter.

[tkd_person89]

Lol don't try to deny it.

That Genki Sudo vs so called TKD guy was a set-up match by Japanese guys who obviously don't like Korea, Koreans, or anythign to do with Korea, seeing as how they paid that lowlife Korean kickboxer to betray his country and announce himself as a Taekwondo artist even though he was in reality just another sucky kickboxing scrub.

[eXcessiveForce]

He's a korean that means he is the best tkd person in the world. he should have been able to easily beat a japanese fighter.

[tkd_person89]

why can't you get it thorugh your thick ASS head that he wasn't tkd?

[eXcessiveForce]

Doesn't matter he was korean, he should have killed the japanese guy.

[Piston]

In my gym we learn BOXING. Boxing blocks, footwork (stance is higher though), bob and weave. Everything is boxing, but just a bit modified to handle and deliver kicks as well. We never duck down deep either.

As far as the kicks go, I read somewhere that the kickboxers saw the power in thai kicks so they incorporated the kicking of muay thai, instead of what they had before, which I think was karate kicks.

I must say though, that in my gym I don't think they do a good job of teaching muay thai kicks. I learned those from a guy there that has trained MT for a while.
The other students get to learn hook kicks, axe kicks and other kicks which I feel are way less effective than the traditional MT roundhouse. They do learn the roundhouse of course, don't get me wrong. But I just feel at a beginner level I don't want to spend time on kicks I can't use in full contact, because they're too weak or demand a very long training time to become effective.

I beg to differ, axe kicks are some of the most powerful kicks one can throw, but of course they are not without their implications. A major factor with them is flexibility, if you can't that leg above your head height with ease it gets very difficult, how flexible are you? Also timing can be a big factor, and whether one is using the axe kick defensively, or offensively because they can break someones guard quite easily if they catch it full, they work great defensively because no one expects the kick to come sailing down from above. I've seen an amateur fight where one guy went for the tackle in attempt to pin and submiss his opponent, the other fighter merely moved bacwards whilst spinning back and bringing the axe kick down on the back of his opponent's exposed head. He was kissing canvas for quite some time.

Also the hook kick can be effective, I find if I'm going for power with it, which granted isnt that often, if I throw my hips behind it, it can be as powerful as any other kick.

[eXcessiveForce]

Spin hook kicks are one of my knockout techniques. Besides it looks like a low to medium side kick until it's too late. People always move the wrong direction and get clobbered.

[kuk sool won]

i like low hook kicks, especially against trained fighters, looks as though you going for the opposite leg then you dig your heel into the outside of thier thigh (pressure point), against somebody who hasn't trained thier legs it will put them to the ground in serious pain easily.

[Tom Yum]

why can't you get it thorugh your thick ASS head that he wasn't tkd?

He was a tae kwon do stylist. Did you read everything about Yilmaz?

Ofcourse not because you like to shoot your mouth off before you do your homework.

He fights just like a tkd stylist; throwing mostly straight punches and using side kick and snap round kick to set up spinning kicks.

Yilmaz KO'd some B-class K-1 fighters in his earlier fights and landed some impressive kicks against musashi; to pull that off on a K-1 legend means he fights for REAL. His weakness was that he wasn't accustomed to really hard LOW KICKS - which slowed him down and let musashi outbox him - another weakness. He lasted several rounds, full-contact against a K-1 Champion.

Do you know what its like to fight a professional fighter? Even one whose going 50-60%?

Nope. You need to discipline your mouth.

[seanyseanybean]

Anyone got any clips of Yimlaz, id love to see them.

[jubaji]

Tom Yum = shit

that guy that fought genki sudo wasn't tkd. he was a korean kickboxing champ. don't argue with fact, dumb shit

What happened kid? I thought you were going to mind your manners from now on.

[tkd_person89]

i tried hard to do that. but people just wouldnt let up making funo f me