TKD Tenets

[Huntley]

Alright, my first poll...out of the TKD tenets, which do you value the most?

I value self control.

This may be a hard poll.

That was a tough question! I chose "Indominable Spirit" because a true MAist has just that for sure. I've seen others without any of the others.

[dodgeduckdodge]

>>Last year while visiting Taekwondo Oh Do Kwan - Kwan Bon Bu (HQ), I heard he was expelled directly from Taekwondo Oh Do Kwan seniors, including the current president. As Choi was about to leave S. Korea for Canada, the Oh Do Kwan distanced themselves from him.

Best Regards -<<<

A lot of people say a lot of stuff about a lot of people. One of the most infamous was what GM Son said / did with the expulsion of several from the Chung Do Kwan including GM Uhm who shortly after GM Son published this item (which also expelled General Choi and GM Nam Tae Hi) became the head of the Chung Do Kwan for decades and GM Son was gone.
So, it shows what the expulsion was really worth.

Was the current Oh Do Kwan pres. around when th event took place or is it part of the current Oh Do Kwan legend?

Perhaps it's kind of like "I quit" no "you are fired" kind of thing. We all know that General Choi after being favored by the government was later disfavored by a new government and left.

I know that as an American it is really difficult to appreciate the types of governmental changes that happen in other countries including foreign occupation and military coups and the pressures that can be used.

Yes, he was around. As a matter of fact, he was interview by - and supplied documents to the authors of "A Modern History of Taekwondo".

I would not consider him and other Oh Do Kwan seniors who were there as "a lot of people", like some guy just running his mouth about events back then. I give them more credit than that.

Best Regards

[Earl Weiss]

>>Last year while visiting Taekwondo Oh Do Kwan - Kwan Bon Bu (HQ), I heard he was expelled directly from Taekwondo Oh Do Kwan seniors, including the current president. As Choi was about to leave S. Korea for Canada, the Oh Do Kwan distanced themselves from him.

Best Regards -<<<

A lot of people say a lot of stuff about a lot of people. One of the most infamous was what GM Son said / did with the expulsion of several from the Chung Do Kwan including GM Uhm who shortly after GM Son published this item (which also expelled General Choi and GM Nam Tae Hi) became the head of the Chung Do Kwan for decades and GM Son was gone.
So, it shows what the expulsion was really worth.

Was the current Oh Do Kwan pres. around when th event took place or is it part of the current Oh Do Kwan legend?

Perhaps it's kind of like "I quit" no "you are fired" kind of thing. We all know that General Choi after being favored by the government was later disfavored by a new government and left.

I know that as an American it is really difficult to appreciate the types of governmental changes that happen in other countries including foreign occupation and military coups and the pressures that can be used.

[osopardo]

in·dom·i·ta·ble /ɪnˈdɒmɪtəbəl/ –adjective that cannot be subdued or overcome, as persons, will, or courage; unquerable...

that a good thing?


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[dodgeduckdodge]

>>>After he was expelled from the Oh Do Kwan,<<

Expelled from the Oh Do Kwan? Hmmmm. What is your source for this info? I know GM Son "expelled" him and others from the Chung Do Kwan in an infamous newspaper ad whic seemingly lead to GM Son's leaving the Chung Do Kwan shortly thereafter only to have the others who he purportedly expelled not only remain but one succeeeded him as president.

There is no doubt that as the political winds changed direction in Korea General Choi was no longer in a favored position and was made an ambassador.

But the "expulsion" term with regard to the Oh Do Kwan I have not seen before so I would like to know from whence it came.

Last year while visiting Taekwondo Oh Do Kwan - Kwan Bon Bu (HQ), I heard he was expelled directly from Taekwondo Oh Do Kwan seniors, including the current president. As Choi was about to leave S. Korea for Canada, the Oh Do Kwan distanced themselves from him.

Best Regards -

[dodgeduckdodge]

General Choi listed the tenets in what he felt was the order of importance. So Courtesy is #1.

Funakoshi also had Courtesy as a priority.

As did Mabuni, Toyama, Kano and others. My point is that those Tenets are originally from the Oh Do Kwan. The other 8 Kwan had their own philosophies.

[Earl Weiss]

in&#183;dom&#183;i&#183;ta&#183;ble /ɪnˈdɒmɪtəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-dom-i-tuh-buhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective that cannot be subdued or overcome, as persons, will, or courage; unconquerable: an indomitable warrior.

[osopardo]

abominable spirit ?

[Earl Weiss]

>>>After he was expelled from the Oh Do Kwan,<<

Expelled from the Oh Do Kwan? Hmmmm. What is your source for this info? I know GM Son "expelled" him and others from the Chung Do Kwan in an infamous newspaper ad whic seemingly lead to GM Son's leaving the Chung Do Kwan shortly thereafter only to have the others who he purportedly expelled not only remain but one succeeeded him as president.

There is no doubt that as the political winds changed direction in Korea General Choi was no longer in a favored position and was made an ambassador.

But the "expulsion" term with regard to the Oh Do Kwan I have not seen before so I would like to know from whence it came.

[Earl Weiss]

Those are not the Tenets of Taekwondo, however popular they maybe.

Those are CHOI, Hong Hi's Tenets. He originally crafted those for his "Taekwondo Oh Do Kwan in 1956.
Alcohol

General Choi listed the tenets in what he felt was the order of importance. So Courtesy is #1.

Funakoshi also had Courtesy as a priority.

[osopardo]

abdominal spit?

[samjang]

Im getting on a bit so i suppose perseverance

[dodgeduckdodge]

Alright, my first poll...out of the TKD tenets, which do you value the most?

I value self control.

This may be a hard poll.

Is anyone here from Chung Do Kwan roots? Do you know the Chung Do Kwan Codes, Pledge, Oath, etc.?

Alcohol

[wsdddoa012]

response

For me at least I know the Martial Arts has literally saved my life. Otherwise I probably wouldn't be here today talking.

Martial Arts has helped me through alot of tough situations, both physical, mental and spiritually.

Also: regarding the tenets of TKD. I guess there good as far as teaching people to live a certain way, however not used in the original concept, they serve a good purpose. If only our TKD organizations would teach TKD properly and the way it should be taught, then I guess it makes for a good substitute.

Either way Martial Arts always comes from the heart first!!!!

[wsdddoa012]

response

Well in this looks of TKD i live on old codex rather then on modern, thats just simpy becouse modern codex is to explot ppl, one of those is loyalty to your school for instance. I do have honor to some point, but not loyalty...


HwaRang Do code of honor:

Serve your lord with loyalty
Serve your parents with filial piety
Trust your friends
Never retreat from a battle
When taking life, be selective


This is what im living whit, i try to do this, even tho, the modern commandments are more aproching (from my point of view) by society and have been forced by society, and i never folow society, i folow my self.

This is the list of modern comm. i do aprov some of those, but not all, so i do not live by them, even tho most of them are already ironic to respect and loyal to be.

Commandments of modern Taekwondo:
Loyalty to your country
Respect your parents
Faithfulness to your spouse
Respect your brothers and sisters
Loyalty to your friends
Respect your elders
Respect your teacher
Never take life unjustly
Indomitable spirit
Loyalty to your school
Finish what you begin


Maybe some of u will think that im not right, but how i lived threw my life and saw threw my eyes, nobody can say im wrong

Well "FINISH WHAT YOU BEGIN" is kinda complicated. Sometimes you just can't finish what you begin due to special cirrcumstances.

Take my cirrcumstances for example: