Empty hand knife defense

[Hardball]

It maybe a matter of preference or the "shiv" they have is more conducive to slashing rather than stabbing.

I once asked a low life skin head (an Arian Nation gang member) who had spent many years in prison a very stupid question, I asked him what his techniques was? He looked at me like I was the dumbest Mothafucker on the planet and said “What technique” I just go forward stabbing as hard and as fast as I can.”

But certainly both methods or combination of methods get used.

In which case a thrust kick would be your first reaction. True?

[darrianation]

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[Hardball]

Throws are a viable option against knife attacks. Arms throws (such as tai otoshi) are taught at many seminars I attend. I'm just not that comfortable trying to throw someone who has a knife. I'd rather break his wrist with a wrist lock.

[darrianation]

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[Hardball]

I agree, I wouldn't intentionally try to throw someone with a knife unless I was behind him and had his back and onkly then in the fucked up tangle where I cannot get control of his knife hand.

In the situation mentioned above he was on the hood of my SUV and jumping at me as I stepped out of the vehicle. I didn't even know he had a knife until after he hit the ground. Between his height in the air and his forward momentum it was an easy throw just by grabbing him and swing stepping.

At the time I thought he was going for my rifle.

It happened so fast I couldn't get my muzzle (M4) on him fast enough before he leaped at me.

It worked!!!!

[Hardball]

I'd rather punch him hard in the throat and run away

Suppose you are cornered? Or better yet, suppose it's your front yard?

[darrianation]

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[Hardball]

Then I'd rather punch in the throat a lot.

Ridge hand, phoneix knuckle or fist?

[Hardball]

what ever I can get there to crush his windpipe

Nasty thoughts!!!!!

[Tom Yum]

There was one move, where the defender got his opponent in a standing arm bar and tried to step over the arm and chicken wing it....what if that opponent slid his arm down, say while falling....knife to tha groin...ouch.


I posted the video to see what people's thoughts would be.

[Tom Yum]

I hate critiquing a video because it seems everyone gets mad at me so Tom please don’t think this is a personal attack because it’s not.

I often wonder where these knife defenses come from and if folks actually attempt these things in live FonF.

Blocking the highline as shown many times in this video leaves you open for the knife coming in under the armpit if you guess wrong and I’ve seen a lot folks guess wrong during FonF fighting (force on force) as well as in the real world. Of course this is bad because the knife may likely penetrate the lung and the heart. The armpit area is favorite target for prison shankings (so is the neck). Also, many experienced knifers ala “prison style” will sewing machine their victims which many defenses you see in many martial arts including this video will not work against it, at least not well and could even put the user at greater risk.

And catching wrists in midair against someone using real world sewing machine energy is nearly impossible. These defenses are easy to pull off using demonstration energy where both the attacker and defender are on the same page and work together and less easy but still doable when you know the attack but not so easy against a “real world attack” where you don’t know what the other guy is going to do or if he even has a knife. Remember some 85% of knife victims don’t even see the knife until after they are stabbed and around 60% don’t even know they have been stabbed until the fight is over thinking they were being punched. *Data taken from Darren Lauer studies and independently verified by my own observations as a paramedic in places like Baltimore (Shock Trauma) and Washing DC as well as working in other dangerous places around the world.

Any defense has to consider a “catch-all” type approach for when you don’t know if he is armed or not (you haven’t seen empty hands before the strike). The movement pattern needs to account equally for a punch or knife coming on the high line, midline, or low line and for increased stress levels and body alarm (fine motor techniques are very difficult to pull off in this situation).

The best defenses I have experimented with are usually fairly plain and ordinary looking….anticlimactic really.

I'm glad you responded, Darrianation. Good to hear from someone from the field doing it.

[Hardball]

not many things say end of story better than a your attacker drowning in their own blood

Naaasssty!!!!!

[darrianation]

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