Taekwondo & Self Defense

[Tom Yum]

imagine if you could just touch people and they died, people would be dieing all over the place by accident.

That power is closely related to those of Rogue from the X-men lol.

[Guest]

well, it can actually kill a person...hit it in the right spot and hard enough (and it takes surprisingly little force I have been told)

The windpipe has roughly the strength and resilience of copper piping. A strike will not cause permanent damage, in order to take a life via the windpipe you either need to crush it or displace it. It takes a hell of a lot more pressure and effort than the movies would have us believe.

That’s not to say a good finger or extended knuckle shot to the windpipe or well of the throat isn’t effective, but its more of an entry and distraction that leads to your major tools. In my experience it certainly wouldn’t drop or render a conditioned fighter “unable to breath”, and besides when was the last time you saw any decent MMA or BJJ guy that doesn’t keep his chin down.

[GranFire]

Rogue from X-men.... HAHAHAHAHA...

Actually the larynx....it came up in a conversation with my Mom (nurse) after my sister at a not so stellar moment had struck her boyfriend in the throat, hard enough to have him gasp for air. granted neither was trained in martial arts but throwing in here Sis is a little bit of nothing...barely getting over 100 lbs...it does not take much to cause great harm in that area!

On a lighter note (scared me to death at the moment!) in the beginning of my sparring carrier I managed to get a lucky shot in with my big toe on my friend's throat, right on the suggested pressure point where the collar bones meet...I did not hit her hard but hard enough to have her cough and choke for a bit!

[Guest]

Sure, no dispute with your examples Granfire, but in both you yourself admit that the result was just temporary discomfort - which is kind of all I was saying.

I am also saying that it does take a lot to cause "great harm" in that area, but maybe we have different views on what great harm is

[GranFire]

Sure, no dispute with your examples Granfire, but in both you yourself admit that the result was just temporary discomfort - which is kind of all I was saying.

I am also saying that it does take a lot to cause "great harm" in that area, but maybe we have different views on what great harm is

LOL, in neither example 'great harm' was intended...but I guess it is also of importance if you are confronted with a bull necked opponent or somebody of normal stature! So in turn from the temporary discomfort afflicted by accident I am inclined to believe that with intention and adrenaline powered force it is something to be watched out for.

But then again - I won't be at ALL disappointed if I NEVER get to put it to a test!

[Guest]

Absolutely, well said.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Just to stir the pot as much as possible:

I've met more 'black belts' in TKD who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag than from any other discipline.

well said!

[DickHardman]

tkd is actually very valuable for SD if you train under the right person. tkd actually has a lot of SD stuff in it, like some joint locks, throws, open hand strikes, elbows, knees, strikes to vital points, it has all that stuff. you just have to train under good instructors.

tkd has been used for SD for quite some time, and has saved many people. i kid you not, yesterday i was talking to an old carpenter who was telling me he used to train in tkd in his younger days, and once threw a man charging at him into a wall at a restaurant. the guy broke his arm from slamming into the wall so hard. it was on of those moves were the guy charges and as you sidestep him, you push him as he goes past you to really propel him. he learned that in tkd in the 70s-80s. just cause you met a few chumps who claimed to train in tkd, i doubt it makes the art completely useless.

[Tom Yum]

Rogue from X-men.... HAHAHAHAHA

Somehow, I knew you'd laugh at that.