Aliens founded human civilization, and we are their experiment.....

[Ryu (non-working password]

way to go, EJ

If Ryan does win we're all screwed

Ryu

[The Shaman]

Hands up for EJ.

Dude, you gotta point there.
How life came to be, I don't
know for sure, but that humans
are an 'artificial' creation is
pretty damn clear. I tell ya
bjj boys and girls, this alien
sh*t is real man, and I ain't
paranoid. Hope you guys would
stop being so ignorant, and
started reading more about it.

But then again, I am The Shaman and
you are not...

Guess you just ain't prepared for this.

Peace out.

[lueng jon]

re aliens:

Sir fred hoyle author of the steady state theory, believes
in "panspermia" (I think that's the term) or seeding by
extraterestrial's.

[Bau13]

Wake up Neo....the Matrix has you

[tdekeyser]

Shamen,

Man, your wasting your time with these guys. Most humans today are not intelligent enough to see what science is discovering these days. Most humans still believe in ancient myths like a god or a deity of some sort.

First we will find life on other planets. Second we will discover that we are generally made up of the same things; hence the universe has the same properties/chemicals. Then, we will discover that life on this planet is VERY young compared to others that support life, and intelligence can go a lot farther than we ever thought. It is VERY possible that we were visited thousands of years ago and maybe even manipulated as a species. If you ever studied evolutionary biology, then you will find it fascinating that no change in tools/art was present for hundreds of thousands of years, then in a split second we had MAJOR advances in tools/technology, and we have NOT stopped. What caused that? It was around the time of some of the things you mentioned. Hmmmm....

The idea of a god probably came into belief when we were visited by aliens or even before that, and it is VERY probable that our success today is owed to their (aliens) manipulation in some way. It could be genetic, or just teachings. Who knows. We will find these answers soon though. If any of you think this is all bull$hit, then see this story from NASA! THE SEARCH CONTINUES!

http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/11/28/space.telescope/index.html

[Edited by tdekeyser on 11-29-2000 at 04:18 PM]

[Robbie]

I definately believe there is life on other planets,maybe not little green space dudes but maybe some type of insect of some sort.

[Robbie]

Originally posted by tdekeyser




First we will find life on other planets. Second we will discover that we are generally made up of the same things; hence the universe has the same properties/chemicals. Then, we will discover that life on this planet is VERY young compared to others that support life, and intelligence can go a lot farther than we ever thought. It is VERY possible that we were visited thousands of years ago and maybe even manipulated as a species. If you ever studied evolutionary biology, then you will find it fascinating that no change in tools/art was present for hundreds of thousands of years, then in a split second we had MAJOR advances in tools/technology, and we have NOT stopped. What caused that? It was around the time of some of the things you mentioned. Hmmmm....





[Edited by tdekeyser on 11-29-2000 at 04:18 PM]

That is a very good point.

[The Shaman]

tdekeyser,

I see this was the first post into
this forum. Who are you (no disrespect
intented)? You have been probing this
forum long enough to spot this threat.
Wonder if you are...never mind

Yeah, If I think logically in terms
of gains and losses of audiance (e.g.
being heard) I might just as well give
up on this forum. But I think that
everyone, including bjj lovers of
this forum, have the right to be pre-
sented with another perspective, other
than their own, sometimes restricted vision
(not trying to be jugdemental here).

If someone 'sees the light' and wants
to get more info on the possiblility
of intervention and manipulation of
human evolutionistic development (if
there is such a thing as evolution)on
Earth, feel free to post your question(s)
on this forum or, just email me. Doubt
anyone will actually consider doing so...

Don't give up on people, just because
they might be morons. Give up if they
are morons with the intention of smashing
your brains!

Till then procede with salvation of the mass.

[Joe Manco]

Originally posted by The Shaman
Hands up for EJ.

... but that humans
are an 'artificial' creation is
pretty damn clear ...

WTF is "clear" about this? Have you seen most humans? They're ignorant, simpleton f*cks. Who would purposely create them?

Have you noticed how much more advanced a dog is than a worm? Tremendous difference, isn't there?

Now there may be a lot of difference between a man and a dog also, but NOT as much difference as between a dog and a worm. And certainly there isn't too much difference between a chimp and a man. So, is it really isn't far-fetched at all to stick to good old evolution.

These MD's who write these pop, new-age books on "How we 'really' came to be" are just trying to make a buck putting into print the verbal products of their mental masturbation. To compare the mountains and oceans of evidence we have pointing towards evolution ... to a drawing of a cockpit on a Mayan tomb, strung together with a few anecdotal references to space men ... is a fukken joke.

I mean, if we were dumped here by spacemen ... why are there so many different SPECIES of humans ... and not just one race? But you see, just like with *other* animals, we humans have tons of different subspecies, each with different attributes and liabilites.

The fact is all you gotta do is throw a petri dish of water outside and you will watch life generate. Patterson even admits this is how he was born. Well, the same thing happened um-teen million years ago on the earth. And from that new species spun off continually ... on down the line to us. And that is how we came into being.

Finally, if truth be told (without a bunch of racial accusations), there *are* some species of human more advanced than others ... and so evolution is STILL happening ...

Yours truly,

Joe




[Edited by Joe Manco on 11-30-2000 at 09:59 AM]

[The Shaman]

Joe Manco or, should I say Pit Dog,

You don't know much about
evolution, do you? Obviously you
don't know $hit about the Maya's
either. I wonder if you know anything
about the socalled 'NEW AGE' movement
(which in my opnion, is just another
bunch of complete morons trying to save
the world by ignoring the problems they
encounter...)

When I said that "it was clear",
I wasn't refering to the 'inte-
ligence' which humans possess (but
most! animals lack). Let me be clear
about that, bjj fella. Just because
you and I think that most people
are morons, it doens't mean they
actually are morons. Humans carry
an immense potential within them.
Man, our potential to create reality
by thought, is tremendous. We as a unit
can create anything! Anything imaginable!
Our socalled 'paranormal' powers are not
paranormal at all. They are very normal.
The only thing is, is that the people
who know this, want you to think it's
a 'miracle' or, a 'exception' at best.
Usually, they make you believe it doesn't
exist (you've heard this one before...)
If you discover how to utilize your full
potential, you become a threat to them, so
they eliminate you or isolate you from society.
('Them' being the people in power).

If you knew anything about archeology
and human history, you would see that
there is something VERY wrong with our
belief systems (not talking religion here).
The whole scientific stablishment is fukked.
I am part of it, so I know what I am saying.
The evidence is there, the interpretation
and (re)presentation of it is that is faulty.
Most scientists are as hypocritical as they
can get. They are a bunch of egocentrical
snakes trying to do their cause justice
(therefore I dislike many of my collegues).

If you are looking for proof, just dig into
the right books, science and/or 'NEW AGE',
or even better, do research yourself. It
demands commitment though, just like bjj.
It can be very rewarding...

Keep posting. I don't feel like talking
about evolution right know. It's such a long
discussion. I know you're gonna attack me
(at least I hope so) but let's just say
Darwin was only a little bit right...

P.S.: Quote: "I mean, if we were dumped here by
spacemen ... why are there so many different SPECIES of
humans ... and not just one race? But you see, just like
with *other* animals, we humans have tons of different
subspecies, each with different attributes and liabilites."

History ain't that simple, my man.

P.S. II: Quote: "Finally, if truth be told (without a bunch
of racial accusations), there *are* some species of human
more advanced than others ... and so evolution is STILL
happening ..."

Tell me more about these more 'advanced' species... never
mind sounding racist. We all know you aren't one...
------------------------------------------------------------

We are GOD, 'cause GOD is ALL.

[Edited by The Shaman on 11-30-2000 at 06:41 PM]

[tdekeyser]

Shamen,

You do understand more than I thought. You understand that creation comes from your mind. That is 100% correct! All inanimate objects before they came into reality, first must be visualized, then created by man. Hence, they spark of creation comes from our minds.....-very powerful stuff if you understand it correctly. I can make anything I want to happen in my life because of I know that it is my mind that brings me my experiences, not the other way around like most think. COOL STUFF DUDE!

We are not alone in understanding this reality. There are only a few that have the intelligence to understand what is really going on, and it seems you do. So you know the power of belief, affirmations, visualization? You know evolution? You will live your life in a much more clear, happy, understanding manner than a believer in god. Good to have met you!

[JCameron]

Joe Manco

Hi,
True, most people ARE morons when compared to non-moronic peoples, but even your most retarded retard is a genius compared to a dog or a worm.
>>>>Finally, if truth be told (without a bunch of racial accusations), there *are* some species of human more advanced than others ... and so evolution is STILL happening ...

Interesting subject, and to be frank, I totally agree with you. I do believe that there is a definite evolutionary difference between races. I think that emotionally races have evolved differently. Some are more animalistic and prone towards violence than others. And of course, there is the obviouse physical differences that have been produced because of evolution.
But this doesn't rule out the possibility that evolution was sparked somehow by Alien intervention, and that Aliens might have interceded in our past in areas like say technology or religion.

-JCameron

[Tony10]

Originally posted by Joe Manco
WTF is "clear" about this? Have you seen most humans? They're ignorant, simpleton f*cks. Who would purposely create them?[/B]

LMAO!! ;P

Jesus. Evolution-as-hoax. It keeps going... and going...

Reading some of the comi-quasi pseudo science here reminds me of the famous quote:

There's three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and [b]statistics[b]

[david a]

I can't believe I'm reading this crap.

Do you realize that the recapitulation theories you are implying have been disproved 50 years ago and Haeckel's(who theorized recapitulation) forgeries, distorted drawings, dishonesty, and deceptive data were made public and he was charged with fraud by five professors and convicted in 1911!


Good grief, do you not even realize that your champion of evolution- Steven Jay Gould himself points out that Wilhelm(german scientist has shown such "shocking disonesty"with his defense of this theory, on the part of E. Haeckel that" It renders him unworthy to be counted as a peer in the company of earnest researchers."
Gould goes on to mention about racism branching out of recapitulation by stating that, "recapitulation serves as a basis for Dr. Down in labeling Down Syndrome as "Mongoloid idiocy" because Down thought it represented a throwback to the Mongolian stage in human evolution. Gould also points out that ,"tragically, Mongoloid was first applied to mentally defective people because it was then commonly believed that the Mongolian race had not yet evolved to the status of the Caucasian race."
In an article titled "Dr. Down's Syndrome" Gould nails it when he decries recapitulation's responsibility for the racism of the post-Darwinian era." He nails this statement by saying, "revcapitulation provided a convenient focus for the pervasive racism of white scientists, as they looked to the activities of their own children for comparison with normal, adult behavior in LOWER races."

In case you think I am over asserting this point let me remind you of your leading paleontologist of the first half of the twentieth century, Henry Fairfield Osborn's dasterdly statement, that- "The negroid stock is even more ancient than the Caucasian and Mongolian;the standard intelligence of the average negro is similiar to that of the eleven-year-old youth of the species Homo Sapiens."

Finally, If we are "gods" as you assert, which can mentally create, what then, do you call aliens who created us and why would we need them, since we can just think ourselves into existance?
And if they created us, wouldn't they want to reveal themselves to us, to receive praise of some sort?
Wouldn't they make an effort to link us to them without producing such controversies and doubt from colorful magazines depicting "Ufo sightings"etc.
Wouldn't it be unfair for their creation not to be revealed to by their creator, and explained why we were made?

I'm sorry, but if you think this stuff is easier to grasp than believing in a sovreign God who "dwelt among us" and died to set you free, then you need to get your head out of the sand.