Double jointed opponent!

[Seifer2399]

Just an entertaining story for you all . . .

So tonight I got a good deep shot on my opponent and took them down with a double leg, and quickly passed into a side mount on their left side, me coming in from my right. Relaxed, made sure my base was wide and stable, then put my right forearm across their neck, and went for the keylock on the right arm - got it pretty quick and easy too.
Imagine my surprise as I pulled up on the arm, seeing the elbow rise about four inches off the mat, thinking to myself "Ok, just a little more pressure and the tap's coming". Another inch . . another . . . till their f*cking elbow is literally pointing straight up into the air. Dude was double jointed and didn't feel a thing! So I just kept pushing the lock back farther, thinking there HAS to be a give point, when my opponent finally tapped, NOT from the armlock, but from my midsection smothering their face and preventing any room to breathe!
I saw him spar again later tonight, and he had his opponent in his guard - opponent broke the guard and went for a keylock from the full mount position (obviously didn't know the double jointedness!). So he lets the guy go to town on the arm, and literally used it as bait - the next thing you know, his opponent is tapping out to a triangle hold! Imagine that - being able to sacrifice you arm just to bait your opponent into a better position for you own finisher! Gumby would have destroyed all in NHB!

Best regards,

Seifer2399

[doubleouch]

I've seen this before. Some guys just have more joint flexability. There really is no such thing as a double joint. The only way to defeat this is to always have a plan B and plan C in your arsenal. I try always to have a second or third attack in mind as I apply a finishing hold just in case it doesn't work.

[tekshow]

i've also notice that flexibility dissipates if the move is put on very precisely...


i'm pretty flexible, so if someone has my elbow out away from my body while trying to do a figure four upper branch it doesn't hurt much...


but if they pull the elbow in tight to my torso and then lift up i tap a lot quicker...


even quicker if their leaning against the shoulder on the same side.... isolating the joints outside of the one the lock is directly affecting can help a great deal too...



but i agree with doubleouch that a plan b and c should always be thought of so you can transition from one to the next, to the next, to the next.... always keeping that flow going...



peace,
joe

[the_rev]

I always find it really beneficial to go against or rep out moves with the guys who are double jointed or really flexible, because you h ave to make sure that the technique is there, or you have to modify it so that it will work with them.. and usually any modifications that you make with them will carry over to the normal person, and are usually super effective against people who resemble the hulk.. they're almost always horribly stiff and inflexible and it just makes them tap that much quicker, plus its harder for them to use their muscle against you when you isolate the muscles better.
Another thing is, is that when i'm getting the moves repped out on me, i ask my training partner to go slow the first few times while they're finishing me. because i think it helps my flexiblilty a lot. especially in the shoulder area, its like a nice stretch for me. and it usually goes just a little further each time.. thats just what i do though.. ok.. peace

[gaittec]

Ways to overcome flexible shoulders:

1.) Make sure the arm is at a 90 degree angle and pull it down until your elbow is against his ribs.
2.) If he still hasn't tapped, use your knee and hip to force his other arm up toward his head, then sit out with your near foot toward his feet and your other leg back behind you for base. This let's you get more rotation in the crank. If you practice this a few times, you will be able to maintain position and base while getting better results.

Let me know if this helps.

Mike

[bvermillion]

and when all this fails like it will strike him like you should have in the first place

[gaittec]

You know you can choose to be a troll or you can choose to answer the mans question, if you know what you are talking about.

The guy asked a BJJ question about a BJJ
sparing situation. You have to show your ignorance and suggest striking.

[bvermillion]

I dont train in Bjj we do incorporate alot of there moves into are grappling training but we strike and if bjj doesn't teach striking it is lacking alot. They are right in saying most fights go to the ground but there is going to be striking on the ground though.

[gaittec]

There is actually more than some people realize to BJJ. BJJ incorporates self defense and sport BJJ with no strikes, both Gi and No Gi. But, it also includes Vale Tudo which is a combination of grappling and striking.

I took the question to be about sport BJJ.

[the_rev]

i have a great idea. how about we dont turn this into a "my style is better" thread. because that doesnt get anyone anywhere. and besides, we all know.. brazilian jiu jitsu is the best. haha.. jk, but seriously. like, grappling in bjj is different than sparring in thai or tkd or whatever you spar in.. because in bjj strikes arent really the focus, neither is staying completely static in the fact that you wont throw punches or kicks or knees or elbows or bites or headbutts or whatever in a real fight. ya know. one of the reasons why bjj is so practical is because its effective, so by adding effective things to the fight just makes it stronger. but you arent going to practice punching people in the face or kneeing them in the ribs or whatever when you're grappling. you are training with these people and they are training with you to get better. so like, if you want to throw those knees and punches in a real fight, more power to you, i know i probably will. but not in class.. there is no need to do that. thats my 2 cents.

[bvermillion]

nobody is making this a my style is better then your style debate.

[gaittec]

bvermillion is correct.

[gaittec]

I was leaning toward a "My post is more inflamatory than your post " thread; but, have decided against that.

[the_rev]

i know he is.. but i saw that it could easily turn that way. i was just trying to make sure that it didnt. i'm just sick of having to filter through that stuff in order to actually find something interesting.

[BonelessHorror]

Pretty much Boneless

I know what you mean. I happen to be double jointed in my shoulders, my knees and the back of my legs. I can also do the splits. We special people are pretty much built for jujitsu. I had my camp counselor in a headlock, and he locked my arm in forcing me to the ground. Normal people would have tapped out and given up. But I hyper-extended my elbow and pulled out of it.
Flexibility also helps when your on the ground and you mostly use your legs. I made a guy tap out with an ankle lock around his neck. Anyways if anyone knows a good BJJ(Brazilian Jujitsu for those who don't know) in Richmond TX, near the outskirts of Houston; it would be great if someone could tell me.

Thanks, and have a great day.

Boneless Horror