Can actor's fight???

[Maui Jim]

I would say my opinion is slated by Woo's need to partly protect his business and reputation.
I could tell when Jimmy was talking about technique or his irritation of Bruce.

I do believe in how he felt about what kicks to be flash and easier to get trapped with and the new popularity of Nunchucks

He was proficient in weapons and hated nunchucks and said there where only good for beating rice after Bruce used them to the silverscreen.

San Soo was sound in hand use and kicks that where more of the straight fount kick type, no more then rib height or swipes and hooks and rear donkey kicks from the floor.

Hitting mayoralty hard against soft, soft against hard.
Jimmy talk of Bruce like a Veteran Union man talking shit about scabs.

Because of his understanding I think Jimmy felt it unfair of how Bruce move up at an opportune time.
Woo's top instructors did do some appearances and advisers to the series "kung Fu".

Jimmy was strict in breaking tradition of a slower learning curve to "lets get to work" and keep it down to a salute and fight.

Because of the need to keep San Soo complete and effective San Soo only saw its use on the street where it truly worked.

Jimmy was in only a hand few of competitions and people learned he was to unsafe to compete even if he was to loose because of his strong view the San Soo not being what it is if it was limited by safety first rules.

I've sat with Jimmy looking at some of Bruce technique on film and this is where Bruce I'm sure thought he was doing his best in his performance for each film but this is where I loose respect for Lee.

I do believe many of the elder of the past just hated Bruce for having such a powerful tool to share the MA and his poor attitude of needing complete control and demand for respect.

Jimmy died in 1991 and there are a handful of studio's left but I left med 80's looking for more understanding to leverage and ground fighting that San Soo lack for me.

I found out real fast that BJJ drools when you cross step or drop a knee to the floor to perform a BJJ move.

Not till BJJ did I learn control of my emotions in a fight and now panic less in a clinch.

Being older now I've become meaner and dirtier in a street fight if it happens because my gas tanks not as big and I have to get it over quicker against a younger fighter and this is of course no guarantee.

[choylifutrocks]

Another respectable post by Maui Jim. Now, we're getting somewhere It seems like you are full of useful and interesting information.

Have you studied any other styles of Kung Fu? What other striking / grappling arts have you studied?

[Maui Jim]

I did just three month of Hapkido in the early 70's with Mr. Kim in Alhambra CA and enjoyed the experience and some training in Aikido.
San Soo fit me and BJJ seem to be enough for my plate.
If I could start over I'd do it the same along with maybe Tie fighting and American Wresting.
Maybe in the next life

[v65sabre]

steven segal can fight for real i bet he could kick bris ass lol

[Maui Jim]

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[Thai Bri]

Actually I'd quite fancy my chances against Segal.

[Maui Jim]

Segal is as fat as Elvis now and just about as dead, u can take him

[IPON]

Does anyone think that Segal was formidable in his prime (whenever that was)? Of course that also means does anyone think that Aikido is formidible

[krys]

Of course that also means does anyone think that Aikido is formidible

Hasty deduction. I think M. Ueishiba was formidable, he was well respected by the whole Japanese ma community in his time .....
Not all Aikido is crap, I'd say most A. dojos are but there are still some good ones.

[IPON]

Of course that also means does anyone think that Aikido is formidible

Not all Aikido is crap, I'd say most A. dojos are but there are still some good ones.

I agree. I did not mean that Aikido was crap, but that it get a bad reputation. Like everything it's all in the teaching, teach tough people train tough, teach weak people train weak. Now if it was felt that Segal in his prime was a tough guy then some credit has to go to the art as well.

[choylifutrocks]

I'm sure Segal could still kick the average guys ass pretty bad. I wouldn't recommend him to enter UFC or even WWF for that matter, but I"m sure he could whoop on 90% of the population. 90% being that 9 out of 10 normal people on the street. He's like a 7th degree black belt (or something around there) and has trained between Japan and US, so I"m sure he has picked up some skill somewhere along the line. Anyone who would say he's gonna get beat up by some 100 lb. dude on a 10 speed bicycle is out of their mind. As far as Aikido being good or not, I havn't a clue.

[Benjamin Dover]

Segal can't fight. He'd get a real ass whooping from a really tough ordinary Joe. BTW...Aikido does suck!!! I have yet to meet an Aikodist who can defend himself in a self-defense situation. I trained with a 4th degree BB and took him to the ground and quickly assumed the mount position. After numerous strikes he turned around and I had his back. While I was trying to apply a choke he was trying to bend my wrists into a wrist lock, LOL!!!

[choylifutrocks]

I'll agree that a really tough ordinary joe would (probably) whoop him, but not the average "untalented" person. I do not believe that there are that many "tough" people around. I personally think that if I rounded up a random group of 100 guys that about 5 (give or take a couple) would be capable fighters. I don't think anyone would need any special training to whoop him, nor would they have to be any certain size, etc.

Also, as of today, I can agree with your statement about Aikido. I'll just say your assertion of it's ineffectiveness seems to be correct.

[Maui Jim]

Any form of the martial arts in the hands of a capable gifted fighter
will be the winner that day.
Gifted fighter over style first

Two gifted fighters against one another then technique will rise to the top.

The fighter with the most heart and animal quality will win over equal gifted fighter and technique.

Here an interesting piece of history (some 5000 yrs ago) of picking the best fighters out of a crowd by how they drink water from a river. (Animalistic)
Not condoning the Book

JDG 7:5 So he brought down the people unto the water: and the LORD said unto Gideon, Every one that lappeth of the water with his tongue, as a dog lappeth, him shalt thou set by himself; likewise every one that boweth down upon his knees to drink.

JDG 7:6 And the number of them that lapped, putting their hand to their mouth, were three hundred men: but all the rest of the people bowed down upon their knees to drink water.

JDG 7:7 And the LORD said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place.

[boar98]

properly evaluated statement

What's your point? You like van dams butt dont you?

Van "bitch boy" Dam (dancer is funny) is a puss, he will always be a puss, and he probably has a puss too.

I thought he was in gymnastics?



90% of what you see on TV is fake. Ofcourse that means 90% of you are going to disagree with me. Actors are simply "acting." Fighters "fight." Some fighters go and act, and yeah its possible that these actors have a fighting history, like Chuck Norris. Seriously look at the fight scenes in movies and tv shows, all the thugs attack one at a time and go down with one hit or some crap... Or the hero comes within an inch of his death and comes back to kick everyones ass.. shyeah ok... If you are doing a "fight scene" you are acting, and usually have someone telling you what moves to do, when, where, and all that. And in the end, the result is to have it look like you kick ass. Just because someone kicks ass in movies doesnt mean they can kick ass in real life.. 90% of the time anyways

could'nt have said it any better myself.