Grappling or Striking

[Szczepankiewicz]

I love it when I'm right.

[butcanuwrestle?]

The question is which style is better to build from when striving to build an optimal mma style? Freestyle wrestling. Couture and Hughes hardly even ever attempt submissions, much less use them. They also don't need to hit as hard as Mike Tyson to beat you. They are just happy with being all over your ass the whole fight (controlling), while depriving their opponents the opportunity to gain control, position and execution. True they might get caught in a submission, but it's rare. If Carlos Newton (a guy with world class submissions) fought Hughes 10 times. I GUARANTEE you, that Hughes will win the majority of the time.

A clinch in a fight is inevitable regardless of styles, and controlling your opponent is the basis towards providing the most efficient use of a fighter’s strikes and submissions. Sooner or later both fighters will find themselves in a clinch, and when they do the fighter who can control the other will usually have the upper hand. Submissions and striking skills will be secondary. Ken Shamrock might know many more submission techniques than Randy Couture, but if they fought, who do you think would end up executing the finishing moves?

Which martial art background will produce the more dominant fighting style after adopting another. Will it be the the world class bjj artist who's aquired wrestling skills to his style, or would it be the world class wrestler who's aquired bjj skills? I believe, well what recent history has proven. That those with a strong wrestling background have had the most success after crosstraining.

I wrote an article concerning this issue. "Wrestling in MMA: an attribute or a fundamental?" Check it out, you might find it interesting.

[Sean Dempsey]

Originally posted by butcanuwrestle?

Which martial art background will produce the more dominant fighting style after adopting another. Will it be the the world class bjj artist who's aquired wrestling skills to his style, or would it be the world class wrestler who's aquired bjj skills? I believe, well what recent history has proven. That those with a strong wrestling background have had the most success after crosstraining.

Wow, I read this whole post without first reading who wrote it.

Frankly, your argument lacks depth. What you should really be asking is "who would win, a Pirate, a Ninja, or a Robot", because frankly, that makes more sense.

(Please don't bring up the "monkey vs. the robot" argument, it's played out).

[darrianation]

I like both! Can you find a MMA that combines them?

For self-defense and I could only choose one or the other I would go for boxing. You really don’t want to go to the ground in a street fight. You only fight on the ground if there is no other choice. Good boxing skills will go a long way.

[butcanuwrestle?]

Wow, I read this whole post without first reading who wrote it.

Frankly, your argument lacks depth. What you should really be asking is "who would win, a Pirate, a Ninja, or a Robot", because frankly, that makes more sense.

(Please don't bring up the "monkey vs. the robot" argument, it's played out).

It's obvious that your both bias and ignorant. Anybody can talk, the question is do you have the balls to back it up. You obviously happen to fall under this category. Like I've told you before, you're weak and you have nothing productive to contribute.

[Sean Dempsey]

As opposed to your one-sided objective arguments touting how wrestling is the be-all of unarmed combat? Or your rhetorical questions and overuse of hyperbole?

And I don't recall you calling me "weak", if you indeed did, could you PLEASE make your insults more apparant and memorable?

Also, which catagory are you referring to? Jeez, I read your article, I didn't know you only wanted certain feedback and comments. I even printed it out =(

[jubaji]

[QUOTE=butcanuwrestle?] Anybody can talk, the question is do you have the balls to back it up.
QUOTE]

Sounds like you got a mouth full of balls there boy...

[mjohnson]

Boxing, BJJ, wrestling.

All have positives and negatives. Boxing may help you in street fights, but what if the other fighter is a wrestler or a grappler? It can go the other way aswell. If you truly wants to be a complete fighter you need striking, defense, and grappling to be well rounded.

Muay Thai or BJJ with some vale tudo would be your best bet. Sport BJJ can be benefitial, but a NHB/vale tudo class is better for what you want to accomplish. But if your still not convinced, go to some classes, most instructors let you go to a few for free.

One form of fighting is not going to accomplish your goal.

[butcanuwrestle?]

[QUOTE=Sean Dempsey]As opposed to your one-sided objective arguments touting how wrestling is the be-all of unarmed combat? Or your rhetorical questions and overuse of hyperbole?

And I don't recall you calling me "weak", if you indeed did, could you PLEASE make your insults more apparant and memorable?

Also, which catagory are you referring to? Jeez, I read your article, I didn't know you only wanted certain feedback and comments. I even printed it out =([/QUOTE

I rest my case. You've avoided backing up your argument. If you disagree with me. No problem. I honestly welcome your opinions as well as that of others. But don't just say it. PROVE IT! See, when you just say it, but you don't prove it, it only contributes to your lack of intelligence and courage. Perhaps you are not man enough to challenge my views on the idea that wrestling is the best style to build from for the optimal mma style? Again, this is the "catagory" you fall into.

[osopardo]

Boxing makes sense to me. Was kind of curious about the height though as it makes me shorter than 99.9% of the guys out there. But I do have longer arms than normal. Perhaps with my build and a little more training though it would be a good idea to put the build to a good use through boxing.

You'd prolly develop into one of those nasty little mf'ers who hunker down and drive in past my range and clinch, then headbutt me in the mouth while playing percussion on my ribs. Gotta dance, gotta dance!

[Cain]

i think we have to seperate sports from reality based/self defence training.. If you want to be a hunk out on the street learn something designed for the street (or, if you live in a stupid country where every little redneck runs around with a gun, buy a gun and become good at using it... ).. if you want to do sports, do sports! very simple.. as everything is..

[Thai Bri]

I recommend getting the gracie self defense book and giving that a try.

Pooper - You're a good egg. But this has got to be the worst advice I have ever seen you give. Those techniques suck. To me it is one of those almost unbelieveable oddities in life - that these Masters of the ground can get self defence so wrong.

[MrPoopy]

I know those techniques suck Bri. Some of those moves I learned in class and they might work.. but a lot of them suck ass.

I was TROLLING!!!!!

Actually for self defense I'd go with a mix of grappling and striking. I know of lot of grapplers out there don't care for striking, but theres a boxing gym not far from here, and everytime I drive past it I see young kids coming out there and I'm actually proud of them. I know grappling is effective, but when you see kids walking home with their hands wrapped and huffing and puffing from the workout they just got, theres not a doubt in my mind if they devot enough time to the gym they are going to beat the hell out of some other kid that deserves it and that makes me very happy.

I figured you could recognize a BS reply, Bri. Guess you're losing your edge.

[S.Anucha]

It is not a stupid question if he is after a means to protect himself. What do you think he should do, merely be so happy that he smiles the threat away?

I couldnt help but laugh! haha. sorry for that.