Boxing? – A different viewpoint.

[MMouse]

As for the comments about boxers being bouncy, they stay mobile, yes. Are they unable to plant themselves? Dont think so. Also, the comment about how boxing matches go on for rounds and rounds, of course it does. If it doesn't, someone made a serious mistake, or someone is seriously overpowered/skilled. Boxing can be alot like chess as the fighters work at each other to get the shot they want. They know how to be successful at defending at attacks. If you take those skills onto an untrained opponent, there is a good chance of success.

[chris davis 200]

Wow! What has happened to this board. Nice redesign!

Anyways.....

I think that my point, as i have said many many times now, is directed at those that think BOXING IS ENOUGH to make you hard or street effective.

I stated my origional post due to this opinion being prevolent in my area, when i find that there is little reality to back up this claim.

Boxing as a mixer is good, soxing as a sport is good. Boxing as a stand alone SD art isnt.

tekshow - how do you find mixing Boxing with Hsing I? from a training style point of view i do sometimes train hsing i like a boxer would, lots of bag work.

cheers
chris

[kid_chocolate]

please chill i am not insulting boxing or its practitioners

I am chilled. I have no emotional attachment to boxing.

Tell me this:
(i)Who was the boxer you fought? If he was a semi pro I should be able to find his record.
(ii) Is your experience from 1 fight with 1 person?
(iii) Was it a real fight or a friendly spar which you might have misinterpreted?

I am mierly stating that people, that i know and some that post here, who think that a boxer would have a distinct upper hand against a street brawler are mistaken.

A boxer will obviously have an advantage vs an untrained brawler. To say otherwise is simply not true. Also remember that "boxers" are all different. Boxing is an attribute based sport and not a set in stone method. No 2 boxers will approach a real fight on the street in the same way. You cannot draw conclusions about boxing as a training method from the performance of 1 boxer.

Oh and Wang Shu Jin of Taiwan met and easily took punches from Jack dempsey at the time heavy weight champ. He then did hsing I's crushing fist or drilling fist (cant remember) on jack and sent him across the room.

It was John Blumming, not Jack Dempsey It was a "corkscrew punch", not a crushing/drilling fist.

John Blumming was an amateur judoka and karate guy. Not a boxer. Certainly not the world heavyweight champ. The story is different depending on who you hear it from. Wang of course insists that Blumming was sent flying through the air. Blumming tells it slightly different

You sound like someone who has just read "My first book of Hsing Yi" and believed it all, not someone who spars with semi pro boxers.

Have fun

[Sean Dempsey]

Jack Dempsey is my half brother who trains the scottish art of "fukyou", where I train the irish art of "guinness jitsu"

[chris davis 200]

Jeez!

No it was Wang shu jin and Jack Dempsey - Wang Shu jin as far as i am aware did not have any contact with John Blumming - I have contact with Wangs Lineage(marnix Wells - a disciple of wangs living in the UK) . The account of jack dempsey meeting wang shu jin is well known.

Maybe mr blumming did too, but how is that relevant to this boxing thread?

It was a "corkscrew punch", not a crushing/drilling fist.

What exactley is this?? drilling fist maybe? or some mythical Hsing I technique only YOU know about! laughable - and you say i have just read 'my first hsing i book'

A boxer will obviously have an advantage vs an untrained brawler. To say otherwise is simply not true. Also remember that "boxers" are all different. Boxing is an attribute based sport and not a set in stone method. No 2 boxers will approach a real fight on the street in the same way. You cannot draw conclusions about boxing as a training method from the performance of 1 boxer.

uh - ok. go ask geoff thompson if this is the case. he is a street fighter and i wager that he would chew up & spit out many a boxer on the street.

Street fights are not won and lost with boxing - they are won and lost with simple devestating techniques, not jabbing out someones face!

Here is an example of my point.

and i have been in a street fight lately and used my boxing skills; boxing alone didn't work but i was able to avoid getting hit by slipping my head and bobbing and weaving all while keeping my stance...


after punching the gent a few times he decided he wasn't going to be able to out box me, so he went for a frontal choke...

After punching the guy a few times ....

(i)Who was the boxer you fought? If he was a semi pro I should be able to find his record.
(ii) Is your experience from 1 fight with 1 person?
(iii) Was it a real fight or a friendly spar which you might have misinterpreted?

i) nope - i asked but was refused, he isnt interested in internet arguments. The guy screwed his rotator cuff - he has pretty much fully recovered now and lives in the UK. try and find him from that
ii) I spar with this person regularly. once a fortnight.
ii)It is a mixture of teaching, friendly sparring and full contact sparring.

You sound like someone who has just read "My first book of Hsing Yi" and believed it all, not someone who spars with semi pro boxers.

Ha - your a funny guy. You sound like someone that cant produce a good argument against my points in the origional post. Bearing in mind that it refers to boxing as a stand alone self defence art and not a mixer.

grow some balls pall, look at the information presented, make an informed decission, discuss if you wish and try to grow. Dont take everything as such a personal afront.

My post was not to disparrage boxing as a sport - but to wake a few people up to the reality of street defence.

cheers
Chris

[chris davis 200]

Jack Dempsey is my half brother who trains the scottish art of "fukyou", where I train the irish art of "guinness jitsu"

LOL. guinness jitsu - one of my favorite arts!

[kid_chocolate]

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uh - ok. go ask geoff thompson if this is the case. he is a street fighter and i wager that he would chew up & spit out many a boxer on the street.

I know Geoff Thompson. He is not a "street brawler" as you referred to in this quote:

I am mierly stating that people, that i know and some that post here, who think that a boxer would have a distinct upper hand against a street brawler are mistaken.

A serious boxer will, in most cases, have the upper hand against a street brawler. 99.999% of street brawlers are not Geoff Thompson, or even close.

Geoff Thompson is a world respected reality MA instructor. Asked which single art he would want to know for protection on the street, Geoff replied "boxing" because he thinks good hands are the single most important attribute in a street fight. Can't argue with Geoff now can we?

i asked but was refused, he isnt interested in internet arguments. The guy screwed his rotator cuff - he has pretty much fully recovered now and lives in the UK. try and find him from that

That old chestnut. You're lying I would say, he doesn't really exist, except in your head. Even if its true, I say again, you can't draw conclusions about boxing as a training method from the performance of 1 boxer.

grow some balls pall, look at the information presented, make an informed decission, discuss if you wish and try to grow. Dont take everything as such a personal afront.

Says the man taking it all a bit too personally. How could your posts be a personal affront to me when I don't even box? I just get tired of internet warriors like yourself. I have made an informed decision that you are bull*****ing based on the information you have presented (= none).

You go and grow some balls, preferably on your forehead to go with the big dick you already have there, and grow a brain while your at it. Enjoy your Hssing Yi!

[Thai Bri]

I think that I know enough about Chris to believe that he only speaks what he sees as the truth. Disagree with him if you must, but the guy isn't telling you lies. He is the only guy I have spoken to (to date) that has made me wonder if these internal arts may, indeed, have something. But I can't endorse them just yet, as I have never actually seen it.

Kid - Like I said. Disagree, thats fine. But you're wrong if you think he's making lies up.

[chris davis 200]

Thanks Bri (unexpected but welcome! )

Kid - you have some strong views, nice for you.

I just presented some observations - disagree and dismiss as bull if you want pal - that is your choice.

Have fun in your training.

chris

[Thai Bri]

Don't get carried away. I only said you made me wonder........... I still think they're bollocks! Haw haw haw!

[chris davis 200]

I was getting totally carried away - I though you were about to join the nearest tai chi school and become a chi loving, slow mo hippy kung fu brother!

damn - need to promote my kung fu cult more dont i!