BJJ or Judo best for self defense?

[Creeper]

One good throw, spike their head into the concrete and walk away.

I can do that too.

[IPON]

Judo has striking but most of it resembles traditional karate.

Yeah, I believe Kano added some technique from Karate strikes and kicks (I can't remember who Kano learned Karate)

[IPON]

Well here is my opion for what its worth. Though there may be some functional and philosophical diferences JJ is JJ...period. Each RYU has always focused on different aspects (throwing, locking, striking etc). I see BJJ and Judo no different Kano JJ focused on the throws and (generally speaking) Judo is unmatched with standing throws they perfected it. Fusen Ryu JJ the precursor for BJJ focused on ground fighting and BJJ has perfected that aspect.

What does it mean? Well, the purpose of learning MA for self defense is to have an edge. learning any JJ does not guarantee a victory. If you get into a street fight and is a BJJ guy and you study JUdo or JJJ certainly doesn't mean BJJ wins not that it has the advantage (and the same it true in reverse). It is not important what your instructor or dojo buddies can do it onlt matters what you can do with the style you are learning. Most peopel what the "BEST" style but very few have the heart or dedication to make it work (and of course blame thier fialings on the style).

So What does it mean? That is meaningless. In my mind there are 2 type on MA standing and grappling. Grappling in not easy and definately not for everyone and iof that is what you choose and an MA (or the foundation) it doesn't matter about the other style. Yiu know (or should know) your strengths and weaknesses and you attack accordingly.

I plan to study BJJ not becuase "Oh my it the world's best MA" but becuase, like judo, it will add another dimension to my JJ.

So it means we are all in the JJ family.....for those that participate you are in an elite club.

(well for the most part yeah I know some schools suck)

[shadowkiller]

Dont have any experience in either but I was wondering. Sorta off topic but in the same line I guess.

What in everyones experience has a more self defense rooted structure between judo and aikido? Both are really based in throws if what I have read is correct. Anyone with experience in both?

[Pornstar]

the horse is dead, stop kicking it. let's go back to the original question, JJ or Judo? I say JJ! Anyone?

[osopardo]

Cakegirl's signature is the most appropo answer to this question, with the addendum "Get yourself a tool box full tools!"

[CKD]

Yeah, I believe Kano added some technique from Karate strikes and kicks (I can't remember who Kano learned Karate)

He learned two Japanese jujitsu styles Kito ryu, which he got the throwing techniques and the Tenshin shin'yo school which he got the striking. The Tenshin ryu has a emphasis on karate style striking from which he got the techniques. As for Kano learning Karate I do not think he did.

[IPON]

He learned two Japanese jujitsu styles Kito ryu, which he got the throwing techniques and the Tenshin shin'yo school which he got the striking. The Tenshin ryu has a emphasis on karate style striking from which he got the techniques. As for Kano learning Karate I do not think he did.

You are definately correct about the JJ styles. I seem to remember reading that Kano learned some karate (maybe more like an exchange of techniques than studying per se) but I could definately be wrong. I will check to see if I can find the article.

[JaredExtreme]

I think BJJ and Judo are very close in self defense efficiency. A lot of people underestimate Judo's ground game because they primarily think that Judo is all throws. However there are a significant amount of Judo schools out there that teach a lot of newaza. However in my limited experience, instead of focusing on getting a submission on the ground, they usually try to go for a pin. This is not entirely a bad thing because when you have someone pinned you are usually in a position where you can also do some ground and pound.

So yes I think judo is a lot better than a lot of the martial arts out there, but there are some things in it I do not care for, such as the rules.

(If i am wrong on any of these let me know, I am not a judo expert).

Personally I like as little rules as possible. Of course a certain amount of rules is necessary in order to be able to train safely. However in my opinion judo has too much. Firstly, judo does not allow lower body submissions such as kneebars and heel hooks. Also neck cranks are illegal. I think it is good to have these tools in your arsenal if you need them in a real life situation. Also, because the emphasis on judo is the standup game, if no progress is being made on the ground the fighters will be stood back up, which is not my cup of tea.

So those are the reasons why I train BJJ and not judo. I'm not saying one is superior to the other, because they both have different objectives and strategies.

[Serrada]

First off both are great MA for the street.

Judo on one hand has a very stable standing arsenal. It is very difficult to get a Judo player to the ground. In a Judo match, a practitioner losses points if taken down. As we have seen UFC evolve, opponents are not so easily taken to the ground as they were in the first UFCs. Judo teaches the aspect of not getting thrown or taken to the ground unless you want to be thrown to the ground. Judo practitioners do a lot of ground work, as well. A black belt in Judo is hard to beat standing or on the ground. I believe Judo is a great starter art and can be one of the best. Once proficient, add what you desire ie, more submission, weapons, strikes etc.

BJJ on the other hand is superior on the ground. It does incorporate both striking on the ground and standing. Two BJJ practitioners try not to be the one taken to the ground in a match but they don’t mind b/c most of their arsenal is on the ground. The limitations with this are with multiple opponents and against a skilled wrestler or Judo practitioner who are not easily taken to the ground. At the school I’ve taken BJJ lessons from, it teaches both BJJ and Judo, but with separate classes. Though, I have never taken Judo, but wrestled back in school. I have only played with the Judo guys and they are tuff. BJJ does teach more self defence than Judo at my school.

All in all it first is the student then the teacher and none of it works without time and dedication. It’s all about 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration.