similarities between good self defense arts and mma

[CKD]

I recently got interested in Krav maga and I noticed its similarityto mma. I also boticed that krav has few if none eye gouges or other similar tatics which most self defense systems claim is the solve for anything. I heard an argument saying it is hard to hit these vital areas when your aderenaline is high and I think good self defense systems agree give me some feedback.

[Szczepankiewicz]

The more 'lethal' the blow, the more difficult it is to train.

Eye gouges, knee shots, and other vital points present a challange to your training.

At Martialdirect there is a Krav Maga training journal.

I do not train eye gouges, vital point striking, or breaking of the bones. I suppose I could pull some of these off if I needed to, but it's hard to justify in court that you were trying to escape when you ripped the guys leg off and continued to beat him with it.

Spanky

[CKD]

What art do you train because doesn't submissions break arms and things. I found it interesting that krav maga does not believe these tatics are the solve all. I would rely on a move I have done on a resisting opponent than some deadly technique. But what is the martial direct training journal? I also found similarities in philosiphies like take what works get rid of what doesn't.

[Szczepankiewicz]

What's your background?

Submission Techniques (i.e. chokes, strangles, locks) work very well. Most joint locks can break the joint with increased pressure. However, as Roy Harris says, there are seven common reasons why, sometimes, they do not work.

I believe Krav Maga is based on overwhelming an opponnet with a barrage of simple techniques. However I have not trained in the art so I don't know for sure.

Getting back, submission techniques are great, but in some situations you DO NOT want to be tied up grappling someone. Use your situational judgement and adapt.

www.martialdirect.com/forums and you'll see the Krav Maga Journal thread.

Spanky

[Kirves]

Yes, and people who work in law enforcement, security, the door work, etc. can't just keep punching and crippling the opponent until he lies in a bloody pulp pool on the pavement. Some of us need to get them to submit without too much damage.

[Ha_ari]

CKD,

I trained in KM for over a year before moving to MT/JKD/submission grappling. Search for some of my posts and you'll find my perspectives on some of your questions.

[CKD]

My martial arts backround is kung fu and tae kwon do then I realized that these arts were not very street effective so I moved to a mixed martial art called combat knock down which is a mix of full contact karate strikes, judo throws and reaps, wrestling take downs, and brazilian jiujitsu ground fighting. I got interested in Krav maga because i noticed a striking resemblance between krav and mma. I actualy found out that krav students do compete in mma. I was interested to see how much dirty tatics it had like eye gouging because a lot of so called self defense arts think thats a solve all even though it really isn't.

[Ha_ari]

I got interested in Krav maga because i noticed a striking resemblance between krav and mma. I actualy found out that krav students do compete in mma. I was interested to see how much dirty tatics it had like eye gouging because a lot of so called self defense arts think thats a solve all even though it really isn't.

I think there may be some resemblance between KM and MMA, but I would not draw that too far. KM has one purpose only: to ensure that if you are accosted on the street, you walk away ahd he/they do not. That's it. It's not a sport; there are no KM competitions. Some KM instructors do compete in MMA, and many have competed in their past, though the majority of high-ranking KM instructors have cross-trained in other MAs as well. There is also a very close affiliation between Bas Rutten and KM. To the extent MMA prepares you primarily for ring/sport fighting, its focus and mentality is a little different from KM.

In KM, there is no such thing as a 'dirty' technique, and, IMO, most KM instructors will get irritated if you mention those words. KM is designed to save your life when it is your life that is at risk. In such situations, anything and everything goes. KM does employ throat jabs, eye gouges, whatever. In my time training KM, the 'dirty' technique I saw them emphasize the most was head butts, which is also my favorite 'dirty' technique.

[kengar]

I was interested to see how much dirty tatics it had like eye gouging because a lot of so called self defense arts think thats a solve all even though it really isn't.

That would be an error in your perception. Eye attacks are effective, can be done in a moderate or violent manner and can be trained. They are not the only focal point of your training or defense tools, it is merely a tool that would enhance your chances if employed.

I do not train eye gouges, vital point striking, or breaking of the bones.

Spanky, I have to ask you to elaborate more on this. I belive you have the Shredder video and have given positive feed back on it, will you not use those concepts? Also, you have a firearm for your protection but you won't use more aggressive fighting techniques. I could be wrong about that, maybe your just a 2nd Amend. advocate. I would think in your state (Idaho isn't it) you would be able to stand and defend yourself, not forced to try running away. Not trying to bash you, just trying to see where you coming from on this.



Ken

[Thai Bri]

Yeah, yo believe in carrying a gun, but won't poke an eye?

Duurrrrr brain! Haw haw haw!

[CKD]

With the eye gouging, groin grabbing and all that other stuff issue, I would prefer to use a technique that I have used against a living resisting opponent then one of those moves ussualy. Heres a good argument on the issue at www.mixedmartialarts.com Its right on the first page you do not have to travel anywhere.

[brokenelbow]

The argument is partly correct in regards to mma, the US gov't spends alot of time and money researching real world h2h.

BTW Krav is good self defense?

[kengar]

CKD
I'm not saying your wrong in what you want to use in a fight, and I'll agree with you that some people think only one or two techniques are the answer to everything to saving your ass, which is a bad misconception. But putting your finger into an eye will and can work.

Since you directed us to that site, have you checked out "the Fighters Notebook", and if so what do you think? Looks interesting, but I like others opinions.

[CKD]

The fighters notebook I never read but I heard it was supposed to be really good. Broken elbow what martial arts does the military study? A friend of mine is in the special forces and says they train in muay thai and Brazilian jiujitsu but he does not know about the rest of the military.

[yenhoi]

fighters notebook!

Good stuff. I have an older version in black and white, might even be a copy of an older version. Its all very basic, but its a good resource to have around.