Favourite submission

[CHOKE UK]

Each persons favourie/best submisiion will vary by virtue of the fact that we all have different skill levels.

In other word, a naked rear choke is not necessarily better than a gullitine, but may be better for a particular person.
By the way cakegirl,
yes i do grab my bicep, as I find i can get some extra leverage.
there are many other points on this choke that differ.

I prefer chokes to armbars and ankle locks, unless the situation presents itself to me.
There are many chokes that can be used in a self defence way,
i like to used the opponents clothing etc!

But you must not forget, and just as important are submissions by way of striking!

The key to a good submission is one that works everytime on every opponent, no matter how big or strong.
Often many just work in the class.

People have stated some of the for fancy sub's,
but if you risk losing position or ignore a simpler but boring submission or even a striking sub' then I personally do not follow that principle!

A funny thing happened to me once,
I thought I was real good at naked rear chokes many years ago.

So my brother in law, who hates martial arts full stop.
Asked my to do it on him.
Baring in mind that he is over 6'6'' tall and weighs well over 20 stone,
with arms and thighs like trees trunks!
Anyway i applied it and as I tried to "stretch him"
he simply stood up and deliberately fell backwards!

The bigger they are the harder the fall.....especially backwards!!

As Ali once said "it knocked the wind out of my ancestors!"

[Hermosa]

Cakegirl...

in my opinion for best results, definately grab the bicep and the other hand should be all the way behind his head/neck with your palm facing you and making a fist.

In all of my matches, I roll really old school..I always get the back. I don't force it but thats where my training takes me. So my best submission is a choke, naked if we are no gi..and a single collar choke with the gi.

[darrianation]

Guillotine from where? Guard? Or standing?

How do you do the rear naked choke? Does your choking hand grab your bicep or your shoulder? (I've had it taught to me both ways.)

Cakegirl

I am with JaredE on this on I love the guillotine. I like both standing and in the guard.

I use it a lot when someone shoots in on me. I sprawl and as they either fall to their knees or try to stand or push me back I slip the guillotine on them.

Even if I don't get the airway I squeeze them till they piss themselves. If they go for my groin I push down on them if they try to push me backwards I lift up on them. It gives a good amount of control until you can cut off their airway.

I also like the arm bar from the mounted position and especially from the guard.

But my most favorite is to take the top mount straddling their chest and rain hell down on them with elbows to their pretty little faces! Yea, now that’s the stuff!!!

[platinum_angel]

i like arm bar the best. from the side, from the mount, from the back mount, and from the mount and much more

[darrianation]

Ahh, how could I forget the side mount and unloading with knees to the head and ribs! OOOOh....got to love it!

[CHOKE UK]

Agree with hermosa, regarding rear chokes ,and its important on the naken rear choke to clench fist if you dont want a broken finger or two.

Also darrianation, re side mount and unloading with knees,
and dont forget elbows!

[darrianation]

Yes, a hell swarm of elbows. Now thats what I am talking about!

[darrianation]

I am more of the ground and pound kinda of guy, Beat em' into submission.

Actually my favorite all time grappling move is the duck under to a suplex!

The suplex:
The attacker is standing behind the victim, the attacker's head is under one of the victim's arms. The attacker waistlocks the victim and lifts them off the ground and falls backwards, dropping the victim on their head/neck.

But don't try this in the street you just as likely to K.O. yourself as the other guy.

Next to that is clinching and knees. You have already seen my list of actual grappling submissions.

[Kabuki]

My favorite submission is a half guard calf crush--they think they are going to get mount and then they feel the burn.

[NaTurE-of-WaTeR]

what ever happened to the figure four???????????lol...

[cakegirl]

in my opinion for best results, definately grab the bicep and the other hand should be all the way behind his head/neck with your palm facing you and making a fist.

I've had it taught to me that way, but the 'new' way it's being taught (e.g. by Elvis Sinosic) is to have the choking arm go under their chin then reach back and grab your own gi thumb-in or if no-gi, grab your own shoulder.

Try doing it without someone there. Yes, in front of the computer now If you grab your bicep, you create a square for the person's neck, and if you account for your other hand being behind their head, you have to twist the wrist of your choking hand to squeeze the choke while still holding your bicep.

Now, if that hand comes back and grabs your shoulder (or gi collar), you don't create a square for the person's neck. You create a triangle that is half the size of the square you would have created if you grab your bicep.

Then, the hand that pushes their head forward, instead of putting the hand behind their head, bring it behind their head and up to the opposite shoulder. Then to put the choke on, you just squeeze your elbows towards each other.

In practice, grabbing the shoulders, the choke came on so fast and with so little effort, I don't think I'll ever grab the bicep again, unless I "miss" the shoulder while rolling.

Cakegirl

[CHOKE UK]

Calegirl,
Good variation.
But..... I think that if you do a good bicep style rear choke then the hands virtually end up in the same place that you have described.

Plus I am a bit concerned about the grabbing of the gi!

My reason for this is that it is a "naked" rear choke!

So say for example I was not wearing a top or it got ripped off during a fight as has happened to me before.

Or as I have the choke on and they grab my arm which is holding my top with the pressure of both our arms on it, theres a good chance that the average flimset top will just give way.
Ok perhaps if you always have street fights in your reinforced double stitched gi!

Your bicep is always there!
and makes for a strong grip!

simplicity is genius!

[cakegirl]

Ok perhaps if you always have street fights in your reinforced double stitched gi!

Heeey!

I did say if you're not wearing a gi to grab your own shoulder! I'm pretty sure that's always there too!

You grab it up high, like you're grabbing your trap.

Cakegirl

[Tom Yum]

I am more of the ground and pound kinda of guy, Beat em' into submission.

Actually my favorite all time grappling move is the duck under to a suplex!

The suplex:
The attacker is standing behind the victim, the attacker's head is under one of the victim's arms. The attacker waistlocks the victim and lifts them off the ground and falls backwards, dropping the victim on their head/neck.

But don't try this in the street you just as likely to K.O. yourself as the other guy.

You can change the suplex into a souflet. The only difference is once you have hoisted your opponent in the air using your legs, you twist and slide your planting leg as you fall backwards so that your opponent is now heading to the ground with face to the ground. You will land on top of him, which will still send momentum in your direction, but he is acting as your cushion.

Ok Favorite subs.

Guillotine - Easy to get on someone who doesn't tuck their head in the shoot and 'round the corner' (90% of most people on the street)

Keylock/Chickenwing - Good to pull of from the cross-body position, sometimes guard.

Heelhook - Good against bigger/slower opponents.

Armbar - You can sneak your legs up in the guard and do so many variations from alot of angles; this is probably one of the most versatile subs (for me anyways)

Lapel choke - tends to wear down opponent in your guard.

[CHOKE UK]

cakey, but if you practice grabbing the gi, then thats what you become good at and so may well try to l do that in a real fight.

And surely the grip of the shoulder is not as good as the grip on the bicep, unless you have arnold swaazeneggers biceps(which I think you'll find are also "always there!").

Still to be convinced by this new method??????????

tried and trusted for me!