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I read that Igor fought Takada! When the hell did that happen and is Takada still alive?
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It was last month in Pride 11. Igor carried Takada for a round and then old-skooled his sorry ass.
Supposedly it was Takada's last fight. But somehow I don't think we've seen the last of him.
Sakuraba also crushed Shannon "The Cannon" Ritch in something like 30 seconds with an achilles lock. Both of these fights must have been like shooting clay pigeons for Sak and Vov.Comment
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Takada is a 'Sorry Ass'excuse for a fighter. Why do the insist on letting him fight. The idiot has no talent. he makes a great water boy though...Comment
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If Takada wasn't knocked out cold, he must have learnt something about fighting. How did he do?Comment
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I heard "untalented ass" Takada bruised up Igor's leg and that most peope that you know, actually saw the fight, said that while Takada never gave him a run for his money; he actually hung in there without having to be carried. Do you honestly think that Takada sucks that bad that Igor would risk losing by carrying him? Takada doesn't suck, he does a few works, loses to Rickson Gracie and he's now he worst fighter ever...Comment
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thats right...Many fighters actually respect him! Igor included! No joke..
Takada says he only likes to fight the best to see how his skills would match up against the BEST...
I'd say either Takada is a true warrior willing to lose anytime just to learn something OR he's just crazy...
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Takada is a tuff guy...he landed HARD kicks that welted up Igor's legs. he just isn't a super skilled sub grappler like Sakuraba.
I bet Takada could kick Matsui's ass.
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Lets name off some opponents Takada has fought
Rickson Gracie x2
Merk Kerr
Royce Gracie
Igor Vovchanchyn
Losing to those guys is definatly not the sign of a Tomato can. He's a good fighter [probably a B-Level fighter] who fights A+ level fighters. He does this despite looking bad in front of the fans that come to see him. Let me ask you guys this question, who had a bigger reaction at the Pride Grand Prix; Sakuraba who was beating one of the most legendary fighters in the sport, or Takada who recently just lost to said fighter and is just sitting there doing nothing? Takada is loved by the Japanese public and in Japan, he stands to lose as much as Rickson stands to lose in a fight. So answer this question, who has fought more quality opponents, Rickson Gracie or Nobuhiko Takada?
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Igor never carried Takada at all.
These fools will never admit that Takada is a real fighter. They make up the story to suit themself every time.
Takada did indeed bruise up Igors leg. The same way that he taught his student Sak to do it to Belforts leg.
I think its amusing that Takada beat Coleman but nobody will give him the respect he is due. Oh sorry I forgot, someones cousins neigbor heard Coleman say "I got a family to feed" which is indisputable proof that Coleman threw the fight. Yeah right.
Takada gave Rickson a tough fight in their rematch. He let Kerr beat him in a match that was officially reported as a work on ADCC news (The Coleman fight was never reported as a work). Takada has the balls to step into the ring with the best of the best NHB fighters, his record in Pride is better than say Gary Goodridge yet he still gets no respect.
What does Takada have to do to get the respect he rightfully deserves?
Ive heard all the BS about White belts tapping him at BHJJ but years later not one of these "white belts" has ever come forward and mentioned "I beat Takada". I find this conspiracy to put down Japanese fighters very disturbing.
I bet you guys cant wait for Sak to lose so you can start calling him a loser also.Comment
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I'd like to see Takada face someone like..lets say....
Pete Williams or something....should be cool to watch...Comment
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Shimora, I've never seen the Takada vs. Coleman match but I heard it was a pretty obvious work by a pro-wrestling review site that loves Takada [most fans of Japanese pro-wrestling do]. They said that Coleman was training in pro-wrestling and even did an overdramatic tap out at the end of the fight. Although I also heard by a rival site that the Kerr fight was a work and the Coleman fight wasn't and then I also heard both were works. What do you think? I think I'm going to get the tape to find out once and for all myself, do you think its worth it or are you sure its 100% shoot?Comment
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HSC,
My honest opinion is that Pride is not much different to UWF or Pancrase. There are so many matches that appear to be works I cannot take the organization seriously any more.
Perhaps the Coleman-Takada fight was a work. My point is that any Pride fight might have been a work. How do we know that Igor v Coleman was not also a work? Just because real strikes get thrown does not mean a real fight in Japan. Ive seen real Knockouts and submissions in UWF but does it make the entire event real?
Takada is a competent fighter, if he didnt take on the best in the sport he could have built himself up an impressive in MMA by now. Instead he fights the very best and all he gets is ridicule.
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I'm going to have to agree with Shimora. With so many Pride fights being called "works" be pretty much every joe that's seen them (even though most wouldn't know any better), it's tough to say what's real and what's not these days.
As was mentioned - I've seen some VERY brutal knockouts and many technically excellent submissions done in UWFi, Gumi, RINGS, etc. and I've seen some thing in Pride that look awfully questionable as well.
Here's my take on Takada - The man is a good striker. I don't think most fighters will argue with that point. He's got strong kicks, nice combinations with his hands, and was at one point an amateur kickboxing champion before he got involved with Pro Wrestling. What he doesn't have is a wrestling background. He learned the basic shoot submissions, throws, etc. from Lou Thez, Maeda, and Fujiwara. Other than that he has no formal grappling training in his past other than Judo, which is taught as part of the Japanese school system. If you watch his fights with Coleman, Kerr, Rickson, etc. - he's worried about being taken down and doesn't want to open himself up by throwing his trademark kicks. It's very much like Maurice Smith has been as of late. It's tough to throw anything solid when you're in there with someone who plans on taking you down the second you brace yourself to strike.
As for his training at ADCC, a guy on this forum (at least he used to be) named Andreh Anderson trained with Takada. He said that he wasn't anything special - BUT that they didn't train with strikes at all. The same guy also said that Sakuraba was able to score an armbar from a guard pass that nobody can duplicate as well. Perhaps this is the "secret move" he's been planning on using, yes?
Anyway, Takada isn't the youngest guy in the world. I'd say he's pretty much the same age as Funaki and Suzuki who are considered "washed-up" by many fans anyway.
I'm not pretending Takada is an A list fighter or anything like that. I'm quite a big fan of his worked stuff, though. His bouts with Albright, Fujiwara, Vader, and Severn were great stiff-style matches. Just watching those matches alone will honestly show you how athletic and talented the guy is. It's just tough to pull the trigger when you're used to worked matches your entire life. Sakuraba comes from a wrestling background and was once one of the qualifiers for the Japanese Olympic team, even beating one of their medalists. If you watch his UWFi fights and his real fights - THEY DON'T LOOK THAT DIFFERENT. He's even managed to execute suplexes, saltos, and spinning kicks much they way he did in worked fights. That't the difference between he and Takada. Sakuraba doesn't try and "act real" in his fights. He goes out there and fights as though it was UWFi, only his opponent doesn't want to cooperate...Comment
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Which just goes to show you how FREAKING SCARY Sak really is. He is really just clowning around. God help anyone if he gets serious.
Great post, as usual Domingo.
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