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I am in a stump here. Through the BJJ limitations thread we learned that bjj had a few striking techniques. After the researching I did on bjj strikes it pirqued my interest to learn more about them. On another forum I posted about it to see if I could learn more. The response was that bjj had no strikes. I then went on to show them evidence such as: videos that included bjj strikes, history pages, showing schools that practiced bjj strikes, books, a online vid of bjj striking techniques but I got the same response, that bjj had no strikes and that is all. How can I prove my point? Or how about people helping me over there?
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Here is the post on bjj limitations
if anyone is interested."I did some research and found bjj does have some strikes
BJJ STRIKES
1. Punches: Bjj has 4 boxing punches within it curriculum. The jab, cross, hook, and uppercut.
2. Kicks: Bjj has 3 kicks, the fronts thrusting/stomping kick often used to close the distance and is often used by Rickson Gracie. The side kick, often aimed at the knee, and the last kick of bjj is the thai roundhouse kick.
3. Elbows and knees: BJJ heavily emphasized albows and knees since there is less possibility of breaking your hands
4. BJJ emphasizes hitting while in the dominant position(such as the mount or front headlock clinch) mostly but the one mentioned above are what are used in the free movement phase(when there is no grip) for bjj.
Takedowns: Pretty much all basic judo and wrestling takedowns are in bjj as well as standing submissions. This post was to show that bjj has some striking in it. Ussually striking is done in what is called vale tudo training bjjers. I would say bjj's standup is good enouph to handle most fights. Most bjj schools teach strikes. Those are all the basic free-movement strikes of BrazilianJJ. My sources were several sites, Mastering Jujitsu by Renzo Gracie and BJJ Thoery and technique."2nd post"Just another thing on bjj striking. The combinations in BJJ striking are shorter than say boxing because you can be taken down so you want to have enouph time to defend it. Ussually striking is used to close the distance but in the two gracie jiu jitsu books I have it says it is also used when you fear multiple opponents. An interesting fact is that Rickson Gracie has done demonstrations against two opponents in which he was in a small room and they were blocking the only door and he has beat them successfully. BJJ advocates striking in a dominant posisiton such as the mounted punch, or elbows from the rear clinch. BJJ believes you should try to gain a dominant position before striking since it is risky to engage in striking against a bigger stronger opponent and you also will recieve less damage, but although striking is ussaully is done in the grappling range it does include free movement phase striking as I have shown in my previous post. An interesting note is that Carlos Gracie was a boxer. BJJ is an evolving art. I do not think thai roundhouses were in its cuuriculum until they saw thai boxers in Brazil or fought with them and leg locks were also another thing that changed." -
You are completly correct on all the strikes you mentioned.
Why are you you so worried about what others think?
Let them find out the hard way
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I don't care too much but I did a lot of research on that, I looked through a lot of bjj books and found everything that mentioned strikes. It has also got me thinking about taking bjj since it is not as incomplete as I thought it was. I am doing Shootfighting but I am realizing it is not all that great, I mean most star shootfighters and pancrase were from bjj and other arts and shootfighting lacks an overall stategy which is crucial to success and it does not evolve too often. But bjj has that overall battleplan of getting the clinch and takedown and I find you also do not need to crosstrain as much, if something is lacking then bjj tries to cover it up, like in sport bjj there is a lack of good takedowns so people are adding bjj and wrestling to bjj, BJJ lacked striking so the Brazilian top team members added more striking to bjj to enable them to survive more. But I guess the main reason is that on the thread , it bjj striking under mixed martial arts at www.tung-fu.com I tried hard to convince but they don't seem to be able to let go off there pride. On another note does anyone know of any good bjj schools in virginia?Comment
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Ckd excellent post.
Well written and plenty of interesting substance.
keep up the good work!
Go to the top of the class!
I agree that the one thing that was lacking in bjja was the over focus on grappling moves and the lack of striking.
The vale tudo way is sometimes simpler and more effective.
say for example when in the mount, and someone goes for an armlocl and misses and loses postion...when they could have simply punched and elbow!
or say to escape from the guard and put your head in extremely vulnerable positions when there is no need to etc
the list goes on, but sometime delivering blows whilst rolling is an art form.
good post cdk, keep up the research...full marks!Comment
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Thanks to much schools nowadays are putting too much emphasis on sport bjj instead of vale tudo bjj. BJJ training is divided into 3 sectors, sport, vale tudo(this is where the majority of Brazilian Jiu-jitsus strikes are learned) and self defense(defense against street attacks. So far the main contributor to vale tudo bjj is the Brazilian Top Team.Comment
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Well with the thread i was posting on I just gave up. They are not very inteligent and ignore all the evidence I give them. Whos up for pizza?Comment
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It is strongly recommended that you become very well versed in sport grappling with a gi before beginning any vale tudo training. You need to build up your technical grappling base before you add punches and kick into equation.Originally posted by CKDComment
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Wow that sounds just like BJJ theory and technique.
Well thanks for the advice. I figured since there was no way to prove that bjj had strikes to the people at www.tung-fu.com that I should just give up.
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Can I have help
Can I have some help on that thread? I think if I had a practicioner that practiced bjj or at least someone to help out I think I can prove my point about bjj strikes. it is at http://www.tung-fu.com go to mixed martial arts section and then to BJJ Strikes. Help would be greatly apprecicated.Comment
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Why are you so bothered if they listen or not?Comment
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I have never been one to let down a challenge, most jobs I have had in my life involved me having to convince person or something. They also have insulted me quite a bit and I would like to prove them wrong besides that I like the forum and I would rather not be bothered for the rest of the time I post there. but it is hard to convince them with the whole site against you. So thats why I ma asking for some backup.Comment
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Its only the internet. It doesn't matter a jot!Comment
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Eh...Most people don't agree with anything that I say, and I know I am always right
. But, I don't let it bother me or make me leave the forum(Unless they take it to the point where it isn't worth talking about anything).
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They are taking it to that point. I simply request someone in this site to join the conversation. Especially if they practice bjj.Comment
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