New zealand BJJ competition Sunday 09 May 2004

[wardancer]

I've covered this one. I know what the thread was about but hey; threads evolve and grow a life of their own.


Cool please do, I'm always interested in reading about BJJ and hearing about other clubs.


Now you've lost me. We do the same sport. BJJ. When was business and money mentioned??????
Oh ok I found it.

We host the only open BJJ competition in New Zealand.

[Aristeia]

Mate, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt but you're starting to sound intentionally antagonsitic.
No, two weeks notice is not enough to travel to a comp out of town. People have lives. I'll bet you the australians didn't come on two weeks notice.
Yes we know your club holds a competition. You don't need to keep repeating it like it's some mantra that trumps any other point that's been made. It doesn't. BJJNZ has given some valid reasons why he doesn't run a similar comp. I'll give you another - it's better to have one Open than many competing ones. Let's just make sure everyone is notified in time to get there. we've now got a plan to do that. You now need to pull your head in and stop trying to antagonise someone who was helping to build BJJ in NZ before your coach had probably even heard of the country.

[wardancer]

Ok, it looks like we're getting somewhere. Wardancer, the point for you to take back to your club is this. People are not delberately shunning the competition. Don't confuse non participation with disinterest. Douglas JJ has taken it upon themselves to organise what they are calling the NZ BJJ open, and are to be applauded for their efforts. But to really be worthy of that name, the effort has to be made to get all clubs involved. Which means going to them early, notifiying them of the details, dates, rules etc. Maybe even organising a network of billets for those out of town. When people in Australia were better informed about the tournament than those in NZ somethings gone amiss.
And it appears that the Machado clubs are the ones who have been missed off the invite list, despite the fact that they are far and away the largest group of affiliates in the country. Did invites go out early to the likes of Michael Gent, Glen Tarrant, Geoff Aitken, Geoff Grant, Shayne Cox? Not all of those clubs would have sent people, but I know some would have.

So you asked why they don't participate in other tournaments. Now you know - they weren't invited and didn't hear about it until late (in fact no doubt some of the people in the list above still are none the wiser). Not everyone spends enough time trawling the net to pick up these things. So now you know the answer to your question, the next question is what are you going to do about it? Can you take it back to your club and find out why this was the case and report back? If it was an oversite, lets find a way to avoid it happening next time. Instead of squabbling with each other on the net we could be rolling on the mat and drinking beers at the bar.

That is cool!
But you are supporting the org that officiall closed the door!!

[Sensei Saki]

All of them?Are you serious? As Bertrand Russel said, it must have taken ages for people to realize that a brace of pheasants and a couple of days are both instances of the number "two."Humans are not always infallible.How do you plan to do this?Pardon me? By "we" do you mean you and me?Do humans need to do keep repeating it like it is some mantra that trumps any other point that is been made?I heard it does.Where did BJJNZ get given some valid reasons why he does not run a similar comp?Do you think your plan will succeed?That sounds good to me.Do you mean you and me have?That's good information:
said I now need to pull my head in and stop trying to antagonise someone who was helping to build BJJ in NZ before my coach had probably even heard of the country.

[wardancer]

Mate, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt but you're starting to sound intentionally antagonsitic.
No, two weeks notice is not enough to travel to a comp out of town. People have lives. I'll bet you the australians didn't come on two weeks notice.
Yes we know your club holds a competition. You don't need to keep repeating it like it's some mantra that trumps any other point that's been made. It doesn't. BJJNZ has given some valid reasons why he doesn't run a similar comp. I'll give you another - it's better to have one Open than many competing ones. Let's just make sure everyone is notified in time to get there. we've now got a plan to do that. You now need to pull your head in and stop trying to antagonise someone who was helping to build BJJ in NZ before your coach had probably even heard of the country.

Even if i accept the fact that others are not told in the right preparing time.
I am still doubt why some teams do act as they are not aware.
But the thread is about my BJJ competition open in NZ.

[Aristeia]

That is cool!
But you are supporting the org that officiall closed the door!!

they have not closed the door. BJJNZ has indicated the issue for him was notice. You need to stop talking as if people refused to come to the competition when they just weren't notified of it in time.

[Aristeia]

All of them?Are you serious? As Bertrand Russel said, it must have taken ages for people to realize that a brace of pheasants and a couple of days are both instances of the number "two."Humans are not always infallible.How do you plan to do this?Pardon me? By "we" do you mean you and me?Do humans need to do keep repeating it like it is some mantra that trumps any other point that is been made?I heard it does.Where did BJJNZ get given some valid reasons why he does not run a similar comp?Do you think your plan will succeed?That sounds good to me.Do you mean you and me have?That's good information:
said I now need to pull my head in and stop trying to antagonise someone who was helping to build BJJ in NZ before my coach had probably even heard of the country.

I'd like to respond to this but so little of it is intelligable that I don't know where to start.

[wardancer]

Mate, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt but you're starting to sound intentionally antagonsitic.
No, two weeks notice is not enough to travel to a comp out of town. People have lives. I'll bet you the australians didn't come on two weeks notice.
Yes we know your club holds a competition. You don't need to keep repeating it like it's some mantra that trumps any other point that's been made. It doesn't. BJJNZ has given some valid reasons why he doesn't run a similar comp. I'll give you another - it's better to have one Open than many competing ones. Let's just make sure everyone is notified in time to get there. we've now got a plan to do that. You now need to pull your head in and stop trying to antagonise someone who was helping to build BJJ in NZ before your coach had probably even heard of the country.

It is about who going to spend the time spreading and promoting the art!
An open competition is relevant.
A complain from a non active party is typical!
They should start their own thread!

[wardancer]

I'd like to respond to this but so little of it is intelligable that I don't know where to start.

Do not bother it is generated computer virus stuff!

[Aristeia]

Even if i accept the fact that others are not told in the right preparing time.
I am still doubt why some teams do act as they are not aware.
But the thread is about my BJJ competition open in NZ.

We had a meeting at my house last night to sort this out. I was there. BJJNZ was there, how come you weren't. Why do you refuse to sit down and talk about this with us?

Sounds silly doesn't it. Your thread title was about the BJJ comp in NZ but you raised some questions as to why certain clubs didn't attend. You raised questions as to why certain clubs affiliate through a blackbelt in australia rather than auckland. You have been given good answers to both questions but persist with your "my club is better than yours" attitude. You are starting to sound as if you're not at all interested in why other clubs operate the way they do, or in ways to bring the community closer, so much as you are in just promoting your club.
In terms of the tournament a couple of weeks ago and the lack of Machado clubs involved - lets just chalk that up to experience, agree that we'll organise it better next time and cut out this "my club is better than everyone elses" tone.

[wardancer]

they have not closed the door. BJJNZ has indicated the issue for him was notice. You need to stop talking as if people refused to come to the competition when they just weren't notified of it in time.

Cool as!
If BJJNZ did not have enought notice.
What happen to AKL rep?
no invite?

[Aristeia]

Do not bother it is generated computer virus stuff!

Thank god for that, I was worried that all sense and reason had finally fled the thread.

[wardancer]

We had a meeting at my house last night to sort this out. I was there. BJJNZ was there, how come you weren't. Why do you refuse to sit down and talk about this with us?

Sounds silly doesn't it. Your thread title was about the BJJ comp in NZ but you raised some questions as to why certain clubs didn't attend. You raised questions as to why certain clubs affiliate through a blackbelt in australia rather than auckland. You have been given good answers to both questions but persist with your "my club is better than yours" attitude. You are starting to sound as if you're not at all interested in why other clubs operate the way they do, or in ways to bring the community closer, so much as you are in just promoting your club.
In terms of the tournament a couple of weeks ago and the lack of Machado clubs involved - lets just chalk that up to experience, agree that we'll organise it better next time and cut out this "my club is better than everyone elses" tone.

It is not about the club stuff, you should know better!
People talk and so be it!
I live in akl, you got the person.

[Aristeia]

It is about who going to spend the time spreading and promoting the art!
An open competition is relevant.
A complain from a non active party is typical!
They should start their own thread!

Dude, go back and read the thread again. You are the one who changed the topic. You were the one who said you were confused as to why not every single BJJer in NZ gives their allegience to your coach. And when BJJNZ told you why, you were the one who instead of saying "ok" kept the conversation and the argument going. There's been plenty of opportunities for you to say "ok I see what you're saying" and end the discussion if you don't want it, but you are keeping it going.
And please do not have the temerity to talk about BJJNZ as if he is some non active observer doing nothing for BJJ in NZ.
x He has the LARGEST BJJ acadamy in the country
x His students are at a level to win comps in the US and be promoted by a Gracie
x He's been builing BJJ in Wellington for longer than your teacher has been in the country
x He's a leading part of a group of affiliates who's members easily make up the largest BJJ group in the nation.
x He deserves some respect for what he's doing and has done. He is not the johnny come lately here.

[Sensei Saki]

Once more? Where is that? Dude,Thanks but surely I am not the only one.I was?The past is history, the future a mystery. Today is a gift,that's why it is called "the
present".There sure is.Wow you are very polite.

Ok I'll try not to do have the temerity to talk about BJJNZ as if he is some non active observer doing nothing for BJJ in NZ too much.Where did x He get the LARGEST BJJ acadamy in the countryx His students are at a level to win comps in the US and be promoted by a Graciex he is been builing BJJ in Wellington for longer than your teacher has been in the countryx he is a leading part of a group of affiliates who is members easily make up the largest BJJ group in the nation?And doing and has done is x He deserves some respect for what he.
Did you think he was the johnny come lately here?