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Should we go back to the old ufc rules? The gloves used nowadays are a great disadvantage to grapplers since it takes away grappling sensitivity, takedowns are harder to pull off and submissions are also a lot harder to pull off. I have entered amateur events and I ussually have to result to ground and pound and standing striking because the gloves make it harder to get submissions on. The gloves also allow the people to strike at full power without breaking there hands. I have seen a lot of matches in which a blow would have broken the hand and the match would have been turned around. In many matches today people seem to hold down the person to prevent strikes ut if the person could head butt he would be able to get out of the hold or knock him out. Elbow also should be allowed. Some fighters that have fought under the older rules sometimes find it hard to transition to the gloved rules (although there are fewer and fewer people coming from the old style events) what do you think?
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The rules have given strikers more even footing with grapplers, in particular the stall rules on the ground. If a striker gets taken down, they can just wrap up tight and wait for the ref to stand them up. That being said I think the rules today are better for competition, I would say UFC should go to the current Pride rules.
Noone wants to watch another Royce Shamrock II. The old rules were closer to NHB than the current ones, but the rules Pride uses now are a good balance between real fighting and keeping things moving. -
The Royce vs Shamrock 2 was because of time limits. Without time limits you have to fininsh your opponent off. Too many people in mma simply wait out the rounds when they are in trouble. With no time limits you have to finish the person off.Comment
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In the early UFC's, beatings were allowed to continue for too long, fights were too brutal, and it wasn't good for something that was going to be a sanctioned sport. The bloody aspect of the sport needed to be removed a bit. Elbows on the ground, shots to the back of the head, groin shots, and stuff like that needed to be banned. The UFC ran into a lot of trouble and had to make enough rule changes to satisfy the athletic commissioning bodies. I seriously think that fights like Goodridge-Hererra and Pat Smith-Scott Morris could easily have ended up with a dead Hererra or Morris. You can't tell me you enjoyed fights like those, or Tank-Matua, or John Hess eye gouging Andy Anderson because he didn't care about the $500 fine. People shouldn't have such a high risk of being seriously injured for competing, the risk is always there but precautions need to be taken.
I still see plenty of subs with those gloves on, I think the fighters are ok with it as long as they train with the gloves prior to the fight.
It's a sport, not a barbaric streetfight. I actually think the fanbase would be smaller if the rules stayed like those in the early UFC's.
Shamrock-Gracie 2 was very boring. If there was no time limit it would have continued for hours and hours. Shamrock, much as I hate him, was never in any trouble in that fight. Royce was bludgeoned and dazed at the end (and I know you'll say it was due to the standup for OT). Both of them were responsible for that fight being a letdown. Royce never tried to sweep or get a new position, don't bjj guys spend a long time training sweeps, escapes, and taking the back. Royce didn't take any chances and Ken didn't know how to solve the guard riddle. I don't want to see a rematch of that although they keep talking about it happening.
I don't like the UFC rules as much as PRIDE too. Especially the rule of not kicking a downed opponent. That takes a huge weopon away from muay thai fighters and gives an out for butt scooters.Comment
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I think the gloves do not protect the hand from braking on impact but more protect that face from cuts inflected by the bare knuckles. The same applies to elbow strikes to the face. One elbow shot to the face could 'cut' the face and the face would start 'pouring' blood. I have seen Thai box fight being stopped because elbows strike were allowed and the fighter just simply could not see his opponent due to such bad cut.Originally posted by CKDComment
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The gloves defenitely protect the hand from breaking. It is also hard to grapple with them on. If you have ever watched old vt fights you will notice people punch light most of the time.Originally posted by wardancerComment
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boxing gloves were introduced for this reason (protect the hand) but I don't think that's the reason in MMA there it is to protect the opponent a bit, to reduce the amount of cuts, as a result people can hit harderOriginally posted by CKD
As far as grapling being harder, well it doesn't seem to stop any Pride fighter from using subs, it is still mainly grapling/groundfighting, a lot of fights still end in a submission
Your fingers are the most sensitive part of the hand, and they are still freeComment
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You could have a point.Originally posted by CKD
I mean personnally I 'conditionned' my hands (if there is such a term) by hitting bare hand on a Makiwara for a few years. Sometimes, some knuckles would get freaking 'swollen' and move 'back' as all knuckles would be on like on a single straight line. My wife used to hate seeing my hands.
I never use wrapping straps on my fists for Thai Box because I found them useless.
But I did trained with others guys that kept complaining about pain in their wrapped and gloved hands after hitting the bag too many time.
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