Self-Defense Vs. Mutally Agreed Combat

[EmptyneSs]

in my opinion, theres no point in even trying to discuss this. i mean, everyone brings up all these hypothetical scenarious. in theory anything can happen. u can come up with any scenario possible and talk about how one could deal with it. the fact is, things happen to u that u dont expect. it is up to u to adapt to that situation when it happens. u could keep arguing that this or that style is better for this and that situation, but it doesnt really matter cause its all in theory.

plus, using strikes dont always mean that u have agreed to fight someone. what if some stronger guy pushes u against a wall and isnt letting go? u can hit him hard a few times and he will release his grip and u can run away. that is self defense isnt it? in this case boxing skills were used as self defense. i didnt really agree with this guy grabbing me so i hit him. or what if someone was coming to attack u and u gave him a hard leg kick that left him unable to walk, giving u the chance to escape? thats self defense too aint it ? plus, alot of muay thai and boxing is done at very close range,as are other arts. u dont need to be able to run around to able to use skills from either art. u dont need room to use elbows, knees, uppercuts, headbuts, etc. im not really a person who is down to fight either. im not down with violence and i would rather not fight and just walk away. the fact is people are gonna try to do things to u wether u want to or not. every situation is different.

personally i think the grappling range should be ur last line of defense, because i wouldnt want someone hostile to get that close to me, however its not something u can always help.

the best self defense really is awareness. be aware of ur surroundings and be a chill person is the best way to defend urself.

[darrianation]

Specifically ..I am mainly contrasting the idea of using strikes vs. using grappling techniques.

It seems to me..that if at any time you were in a fight and the fight itself resembled a boxing match, thaiboxing match, karate, or taekwondo, then that would mean that you must have the room to move around and throw punches and kicks. Therefore..if you had room to move around why would you continue to spar with your opponent? Would you not just take off?

I am saying that a grappling scenario..much like what CKD described where you walk in to a bar and are suddenly grabbed and shoved to the ground..would be a situation where, A-the fight just happened...B-you can't simply walk away because you've been physically detained by you opponent holding on to you. This situation would warrant using BJJ techniques to free yourself and/or disable your opponent...I don't see it involving the need for striking of any kind.

SO...my ultimate point is this--It seems clear to me, that as long as you never agree to move around with an attacker and spar..you should never need to train in anything other than BJJ....AND once again, why would you never move around with and attacker?...because the very fact that you CAN move around, dictates to me that you could also flee...

Therefore--If you had the ability to move around, which would mean that you also have the ability to flee, and you did NOT flee..then that decision to not flee..would be in my mind, an agreement to fight. Thusly, you are now, no longer in a real self-defense situation.

CKD..My apologies on my earlier post. I did not mean to have you think that I actually wrote a real book..I said "NoveL" out of sarcasm to refer to my very long initial thread. Sorry.

Hmmm... Now it's clear. I see your point but must say I disagree with it to some degree. I definitely have respect for BJJ and it would enhance anyone’s ability to defend themselves but I still think you need to know how to fight in all ranges. The mere fact of ground fighting as a desired option really puts you at risk of multiple attackers, pavement or other undesirable surfaces, weapons, and etc.

Remember just because you don't see his buddies doesn’t mean they don't exist.

I agree dueling is a poor choice for SD, but to think just because you are out in kicking range you can simply turn your back on him and run is a bit short sited. This can give him opportunity to close on your back or distance and time to draw a weapon (dueling or running can give him access to his knife, gun, etc), you maybe a fast runner but not everybody is.

BJJ is effective as it is, it still does not give you all the tools you need for SD. BJJ along with some cross training in another art would give you more weapons/tools. I think straight ground fighting is a dangerous option and should only be used when you find yourself on the ground or you are absolutely sure he doesn't have friends near by.

[darrianation]

in my opinion, theres no point in even trying to discuss this. i mean, everyone brings up all these hypothetical scenarious. in theory anything can happen. u can come up with any scenario possible and talk about how one could deal with it. the fact is, things happen to u that u dont expect. it is up to u to adapt to that situation when it happens. u could keep arguing that this or that style is better for this and that situation, but it doesnt really matter cause its all in theory.

plus, using strikes dont always mean that u have agreed to fight someone. what if some stronger guy pushes u against a wall and isnt letting go? u can hit him hard a few times and he will release his grip and u can run away. that is self defense isnt it? in this case boxing skills were used as self defense. i didnt really agree with this guy grabbing me so i hit him. or what if someone was coming to attack u and u gave him a hard leg kick that left him unable to walk, giving u the chance to escape? thats self defense too aint it ? plus, alot of muay thai and boxing is done at very close range,as are other arts. u dont need to be able to run around to able to use skills from either art. u dont need room to use elbows, knees, uppercuts, headbuts, etc. im not really a person who is down to fight either. im not down with violence and i would rather not fight and just walk away. the fact is people are gonna try to do things to u wether u want to or not. every situation is different.

personally i think the grappling range should be ur last line of defense, because i wouldnt want someone hostile to get that close to me, however its not something u can always help.

the best self defense really is awareness. be aware of ur surroundings and be a chill person is the best way to defend urself.

So, are you saying you don't beleive in scenario training? Scenario training is paramount! And don't be afraid of the what ifs.