Need advice on my next MA

[Hermosa]

How can you not mention hapkido?

You guys can't be serious! Please tell me this is all in humor.

[Strepto]

Whose gonna take advice from an owl getting over a hangover...just kidding man.

hangover... beer... now i'm thirsty! Dammit!

LOL

You guys can't be serious! Please tell me this is all in humor.

Why?? what's wrong with hapkido? Oh, yeah, I forgot... it's not BJJ or MT! Please tell me why hapkido sucks!

[Tom Yum]

hangover... beer... now i'm thirsty! Dammit!

LOL



Why?? what's wrong with hapkido? Oh, yeah, I forgot... it's not BJJ or MT! Please tell me why hapkido sucks!

Ahh...a true canadian.

Hapkido could use some stream lining. There are MMA type hapkido tournaments, but 99% of schools don't attend. The format is more like a jujitsu tournament with kicking and punching allowed (no knees, elbows).

How could hapkido improve? Emphasize conditioning, footwork and position while grappling and discard about one third of its non-essential techniques. Hapkido does a great job of developing balance, speed and technique but nobody is going to just stand there when your fighting.

Hapkido students need to be able to advance their training when they show good technique, not when the other students are ready to advance. Because of this, you spend a year slowly trotting along watching someone learn their right hand from their left when you could have started using this technique in limited free sparring after 1-2 months of practice. Hapkido students get little application until they've been training for a few years. Too slow IMO. That's why BJJ guys dominate the ground and why boxers/muay thai guys dominate the stand up. Doesn't take long for them to see results.

I think Hapkido is a good system, but it should aim to be like tukong musool - combat oriented reality based system.

BTW - Royce Gracie dabbles in Hapkido. He's learning how to throw faster kicks and how to do more damage before he gets inside. His comment was that he didn't expect to become a KO fighter, rather he wanted to be quick and more effective on the way to his ground game.

[Hermosa]

Why?? what's wrong with hapkido? Oh, yeah, I forgot... it's not BJJ or MT! Please tell me why hapkido sucks

OH my god, you ARE being serious..hmm, ok...

Well then if Hapkido really IS a decent martial art...then so must be Taekwondo and Aikido for sure, and then we definately have to look at Traditional jiu-jitsu ...danzan ryu, kito-ryu, seigo ryu, sekiguchi ryu, and Tenshin-shinyo ryu. Not to mention Yoshin ryu jujutsu and yoshin aiki-jutsu.
OH YES and certainly we must give huge props to Michael De Pasquale's YoShitsune ryu Jujutsu (yes it's a real style) and his almighty united federation of jujutsukas!

Given the fact that all of this traditional japanese jujutsu had been overlooked and IS in fact solid and effective..then nary should we commit the oversight of the awesome influence that Traditional jujutsu has had on the Black art of Ninpo and Ninjutsu.

I say goddamn! I had no idea how many deadly styles were out there, I've don't have much time, I must train, got to catch up. Bong Soo Hans' sunset blvd academy will be my first stop. Dammit, should've known the first time I saw Billy Jack!

[Tom Yum]

OH my god, you ARE being serious..hmm, ok...

Well then if Hapkido really IS a decent martial art...then so must be Taekwondo and Aikido for sure, and then we definately have to look at Traditional jiu-jitsu ...danzan ryu, kito-ryu, seigo ryu, sekiguchi ryu, and Tenshin-shinyo ryu. Not to mention Yoshin ryu jujutsu and yoshin aiki-jutsu.
OH YES and certainly we must give huge props to Michael De Pasquale's YoShitsune ryu Jujutsu (yes it's a real style) and his almighty united federation of jujutsukas!

Given the fact that all of this traditional japanese jujutsu had been overlooked and IS in fact solid and effective..then nary should we commit the oversight of the awesome influence that Traditional jujutsu has had on the Black art of Ninpo and Ninjutsu.

I say goddamn! I had no idea how many deadly styles were out there, I've don't have much time, I must train, got to catch up. Bong Soo Hans' sunset blvd academy will be my first stop. Dammit, should've known the first time I saw Billy Jack!

LMAO....you've got the sarcasm thing going on full blast.

Hapkido would be alot better if it were trained differently, but like you mentioned its like aikido and TKD combined. Hapkido has 100 some wrist manipulation techniques which should be whittled down to about 5 or 6. It has 200 some lapel grab defenses which could be reduced to 3 or 4. Spend the rest of that time that used to be spent learning the 300 non-essential techniques on conditioning and free grappling with the takedowns and finishing holds. Its sad when a advanced level belt gets completely gassed out after throwing 20 or so kicks.

After 4 years in a HK dojang that was more interested in $$$$, I joined a college hapkido organization that spent a good amount of time practicing free grappling. Arm bars, kimuras and ankle locks weren't invented by brazilian jujitsu; they probably orginated from Dato-ryu Aikijutsu a style that has ties to both Japanese Jujitsu and Hapkido.

Still our free grappling wasn't at the same level as BJJ, especially on the ground. I couldn't last longer than 10 minutes against a BJJ bluebelt, yet I was at the HK black belt level. I have however used wrist techniques while grappling on the ground - they only seem to work when both you and your partner have limited mobility while rolling, not when you're standing and the other can resist or move.

[GeorgeK]

I am going to give the same advice that I just gave at a different thread. Look into Straight Blast Gym. One of the locations happens to be in Florida (not sure how far from you). The instructor, Luis Guttieraz has appeared numerous times in Black Belt. He and his instructors will teach you everything: ground, clinch, stand-up, stick fighting. Also, Luis is one of the creators of ISR Matrix, specifically designed for Law Enforcement Officers!

https://www.straightblastgym.com

and the Florida location:

http://www.onedragon.com/

Gym # (954) 443-4183
Mobile # (954) 243-6763
Location: O.D.M.A. 9117 Taft Street
Pembroke Pines Florida 33024

Few places or organizations compare to SBG! You can't go wrong with this! Good luck!

[crash501]

Again I thank you alot! I appreciate all the feedback, and will let you know who the MMA Dojo I have just joined is.

[47MartialMan]

Man, why do people seek advice on a martial art? You know everyone is going to give a biased opinion.

Find something close to you and in your budget. Try it. If you like it-that is all that matters IMHO

[koto_ryu]

Be carefull though cause there's alot of ninjutsu crappy schools everywhere. Watch a class, try it out for free, watch the senior students to see how good they are. If you feel the place is fake it probably is.

Good luck!

Whats the name of the school and what style do they claim to teach?

[Tom Yum]

Whats the name of the school and what style do they claim to teach?

iron groin.....koto-ryu style

[47MartialMan]

iron groin.....koto-ryu style

yeah, but dont take baths after it

[BryanS]

ive been doing hapkido for going on two years now and i could fight before and it didnt hurt to find out how to break someones arm,wrist, hand and other bones in a split second. i also train in judo, and bjj so im not biased by any means, hapkido is useful if you learn the principles and use them to fit your style of fighting. if you are a pussy and cant fight anyway no ma is going to help. (not saying the thread starter is just sayin those who are bashin other ma's)

[LoneWolf1]

Good point, too many people try to adapt themselves to the style instead of adapting the style to themselves, a 130lb karate student isn't going to throw a lethal punch (unless he's a master). When practically applied most stiking arts should look more like MT or Boxing.

[Tom Yum]

ive been doing hapkido for going on two years now and i could fight before and it didnt hurt to find out how to break someones arm,wrist, hand and other bones in a split second. i also train in judo, and bjj so im not biased by any means, hapkido is useful if you learn the principles and use them to fit your style of fighting. if you are a pussy and cant fight anyway no ma is going to help. (not saying the thread starter is just sayin those who are bashin other ma's)

I agree about hapkido principles being pretty good, but they teach you 100's of techniques when it seems like 15 would be enough. The kicking and strikes are good too.

[BryanS]

i agree completely tom, our instructor puts it like this, im going to show you a bunch of techniques you find what is useful and adapt it to work for you, if not then just use it to learn the principles and practice