Hapkido Tournament clip

[Tom Yum]

http://www.pro-hapkido.com/Default.aspx?tabid=45

Doesn't this remind you of the good old days of open-style martial arts tournaments?

[IPON]

There is alot of BJJ mixed with the HKD. Its odd becuase HKD isn't a ground fighting style it distracts from HKD techniques what do you think Tom??

[medic06]

There is alot of BJJ mixed with the HKD. Its odd becuase HKD isn't a ground fighting style it distracts from HKD techniques what do you think Tom??

I've trained in HKD for the past 12 years and I can tell you that grappling has always been a part of our training. My teacher preached the value of groundwork long before the Gracie explosion in America. I haven't been to any other HKD schools so I really don't know what their training methodologies are, but my idea of what HKD is has always included grappling.

I find it amusing that whenever someone shows any kind of halfway decent skill on the ground the first automatic assumption is that it has to be BJJ. Grappling has always been around, Brazilians didn't invent it.

[jules]

you have to understand that there was a heavy "early judo" influence on hapkido. Also, some of the HKD guys in america were from the early schools where it had alot of judo influnce.

[medic06]

you have to understand that there was a heavy "early judo" influence on hapkido. Also, some of the HKD guys in america were from the early schools where it had alot of judo influnce.

Judo along with other things. HKD is fairly modern and has influences from many different styles.

[IPON]

I find it amusing that whenever someone shows any kind of halfway decent skill on the ground the first automatic assumption is that it has to be BJJ. Grappling has always been around, Brazilians didn't invent it.

Perhaps I am making an assumption, but I do know grappling very well. I know that HKD is complete in all ranges but when I see a guy mounted as shown in the clip that is very BJJish not judo so much. There have been many posts of dojangs mixing BJJ and HKD which is OK. So we may have difference of views of HKD that is fine, but I would still say fighting on the ground is opposite to HKD philosophy learning how to fight from the ground to your feet is not.

[medic06]

Perhaps I am making an assumption, but I do know grappling very well. I know that HKD is complete in all ranges but when I see a guy mounted as shown in the clip that is very BJJish not judo so much. There have been many posts of dojangs mixing BJJ and HKD which is OK. So we may have difference of views of HKD that is fine, but I would still say fighting on the ground is opposite to HKD philosophy learning how to fight from the ground to your feet is not.

I agree with you on that. I would rather finish standing than on the ground but at the same time I'm quite comfortable with grappling. HKD and BJJ share the same concepts of limiting mobility, eating up space, and capitalizing on our opponents mistakes. These concepts work standing as well as on the ground. Then again my teacher trained in Judo/Jujitsu(Japanese) for several years before HKD so maybe my personal view is alot different.

As far as Judo and BJJ is concerned, I really haven't seen much done by BJJ practioners that I haven't seen in the Judo I learned in college. However, BJJ practioners have refined these ground techniques to a much higher level and have modified them to be more effective. I think the main difference is focus. BJJ looks to finish on the ground while many Judo practioners would rather finish with a throw.

[medic06]

I would be remiss if I didn't say that I agree with you that alot of HKD practioners problably do train and use BJJ. I would too if I had the resources.

[Tom Yum]

I practiced HKD for 5 years and alot of the groundwork that we practiced inolved little maneuvering for position like the BJJ system. Instead, we would use small joint-locks, hair pulling, fish hooking and other such techniques to get a reaction then set up a finishing move. We only drilled 5 different finishing moves.

I think HKD ground training is ok, but not nearly as complete as BJJ.

[IPON]

Then again my teacher trained in Judo/Jujitsu(Japanese) for several years before HKD so maybe my personal view is alot different.

Yeah, Tthe HKD I study probably is lot closer to JJJ also becuase of Sabumin's background

As far as Judo and BJJ is concerned, I really haven't seen much done by BJJ practioners that I haven't seen in the Judo I learned in college. However, BJJ practioners have refined these ground techniques to a much higher level and have modified them to be more effective. I think the main difference is focus. BJJ looks to finish on the ground while many Judo practioners would rather finish with a throw.

In general I would agree but alot of Judo does concentrate on newaza in my dojo it was a 50/50 split for throwing and grappling randori

The reasonm I stated BJJish from the clip. In a full mount a Judoka would try for a pin or submission quickly (I know this is an HKD tourney). What the guy did look more like BJJ in the sense the player was in a full mount and not concerned about time just wearing out the opponent and establishing control. There really is no right or wrong it just looked odd seeing it in an HKD only tourney.

[IPON]

I practiced HKD for 5 years and alot of the groundwork that we practiced inolved little maneuvering for position like the BJJ system. Instead, we would use small joint-locks, hair pulling, fish hooking and other such techniques to get a reaction then set up a finishing move. We only drilled 5 different finishing moves.

That is what I am more familiar with as well. Anyway it was a nice clip was this also open weight classes?? When is teh next tourney

[EmptyneSs]

their kicks looked pretty weak, but they had some nice takedowns and throws and the groundwork looked good too. those weak sidekicks, and weak powerless roundhouses were the only problems.

[medic06]

I practiced HKD for 5 years and alot of the groundwork that we practiced inolved little maneuvering for position like the BJJ system. Instead, we would use small joint-locks, hair pulling, fish hooking and other such techniques to get a reaction then set up a finishing move. We only drilled 5 different finishing moves.

I think HKD ground training is ok, but not nearly as complete as BJJ.

I think all those things you mentioned are against the rules. . . .

[Tom Yum]

None of the hair pulls were done with yanking, just enough to get the guy to move a little. Even then when someone volunteers their hand to your hair, there's a chance for a reversal.

[medic06]

I just reread the rules, you riiiiiiiiight. . ..