Judo Question... Uchi Mata

[Mako]

Guys,

Question about Uchi Mata; Is this considered a dangerous through? It seems like with the twisting motion and the push/pull of the arms, if you don't get the guys posted leg off the ground, you could blow the knee. Am I just seeing this wrong? Any imput would be appreciated!

[Mako]

Oops!

Sorry, make that dangerous THROW

[sccr06]

Actually, that is possible. I got my friend in an uchimata and he injured his knee by trying to stop the throw by planting his right leg. He ended up landing right on the tip of his knee and he bruised his MCL.
Of course if you go with the throw you run the risk of damaging the ribs...waddyawant?

[Ryu (non-working password]

uchi mata is "inner thigh reaping" throw correct?
All throws have some danger to them, especially if a guy doesn't know how to land, but to be honest I don't feel uchimata is that dangerous a throw compared to say ushiro goshi or dakiage or something...
But the danger of landing wrong or blowing out a knee or hip is always there with all the throws...even to an experienced judoka.

Take care,
Ryu

[Chop Wisby]

knee, ribs

that danger to the knee also exists for tai-otoshi and the various hip throws . . .

do the "sacrifice version" (i.e., land on the guy)& you could blow some of his ribs . . .

as the others said, high-amplitude throws can cause injury.

[Chop Wisby]

bad knees

bttt

[Lacrymosa]

It's been awhile since I've practiced my judo, but here goes.

Uchi Mata will occasionally cause some accidents, but not normally against an experienced uke. If you're really worried about it, then practice your footwork a few times before you do the actual move....(in-out-in).....once you're ready, get some slow practice getting some "lift" inside his thigh on the third step. We had our beginners work this slowly for their first 10-20 times.

After working out the arm movements, try the throw all the way through with a large crash pad. This will allow you to fluidly complete the flip without hurting your uke if and when you land on him. Typically, I've seen more ukes get hurt when the thrower "hesitates" his follow-through, clamping down on that knee.

For awhile, I wasn't doing harai goshi anymore because I habitually hesitated my follow through and his weight slid down to my knee. I wasn't able to walk right for about a week.

As far as tai otoshi....if you're doing the throw correctly, you shouldn't get hurt. The common mistake I've seen: the "far" leg isn't properly bent "downward" when following through with the throw......just my opinion. I've injured myself once doing it that way. It was the hard way to learn the throw, but I never made that mistake again.

Hope that helps. If Judoguy were here, I'd wager that he'd have more qualified advice for you.

[Chop Wisby]

knees

just for clarification, i was speaking of uke's knees, although lacrymosa makes a good pt. (re: tai-otoshi & tori's knee);

again, any of the hip, back, or over-the-leg throws can endanger uke's knee, as this thread suggests.

high-amplitude throws should be practiced with good mats & a good coach.

[Chop Wisby]

higher amplitude.

bttt

[Chop Wisby]

yet another ma thread; imagine that.

bttt