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  • #16
    NO system has it all.

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    • #17
      you mite wont to try muay thai it is a stricking art but you can lern it fast theres only 2 kicks and for a giy your size it will work good that with a litel bbj and your set

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      • #18
        Originally posted by EGstudent
        NO system has it all.

        System A set or arrangement of things so related or connected as to form a unity or organic whole.

        a set of facts, principles, rules,etc. classified or arranged in a regular orderly form so as to show a logical plan linking the various parts.



        Your statment is illogical.




        Wonder if I'll gat another response from the spybot. err saki???

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        • #19
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          "System A set or arrangement of things so related or connected as to form a unity or organic whole."

          The "whole" does not imply "everything" or "all" just integration of a set of related principles and concepts. 'System' inherently implies a subset, there for his statement "no system has IT ALL" is logical and correct.

          That said.

          Muay Thai is not appealing to me personally. On the very top of my list for whatever I study is a visceral/philosophical attraction to the art/form/style. Watching JKD/Wing Chun/PSF/Escrima "turns me on". Watching BJJ/TKD/Muay Thai does not. I'd imagine having a visceral/philosophical/physical/mental connection to an art would go a long way to making it the "right" one for you. Not to say Tai Bo would thus allow one attracted to it to win a NHB tournament but you get the point.

          For my own physical size/abilities/style I'd say JKD/OJKD/FJKD/PFS seems perfect. And also something that would be efficient with the amount of effort/intentsity I could apply in say a two year period.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by newbie2MA
            "System A set or arrangement of things so related or connected as to form a unity or organic whole."

            The "whole" does not imply "everything" or "all" just integration of a set of related principles and concepts. 'System' inherently implies a subset, there for his statement "no system has IT ALL" is logical and correct.

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            I respectfully disagree. The terminology is wrong. What would you be without a vascular system? A true system is a complete and orderly arrangement of all the things needed to accomplish a given task... Irrigation system, solar system, "fighting" system...Perhaps no one style is a complete system? I know what you mean but just yanking on the words...

            A jet fighter is a weapons system too but you won't really NEED that to make your art a complete system...Do you? "Everything" implying a limited need for personal protection. No air to air missles or laser guided 2000 pounders, right?

            I think you're on the right track with the JKD plan...They should have a system to meet your needs.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Tant01
              I respectfully disagree. The terminology is wrong. What would you be without a vascular system? A true system is a complete and orderly arrangement of all the things needed to accomplish a given task... Irrigation system, solar system, "fighting" system...
              "To accomplish a given task". Which only makes the point. You disagreed that "no system has it all" by saying the very definition of system, as re-worded above, implies just the opposite. But it does not. No system has it all. Your vascular system serves one purpose. Not all of them. All of your integrated systems server a larger purpose (you) but not "all". A larger system, say an ecosystem, serves a larger (and smaller) purpose, but does not take care of say, gravity, which is another system. Systems server their own purpose and integrate with other systems when and as needed to serve other more complex purposes.

              Thus BJJ is a totally integrted system serving one purpose. Tae Kwon Do is another. Some "systems" such as functional jkd do aim to "have it all" by integrating various systems into seamless more complex systems, probably, I would imagine, by simplifying the original "systems" to their core functionality, which implies a goal of reaching "all" by reduction and re-combination which by it's own definition cannot be "all" either.

              Since you can keep expanding your definition of "all" (ultimately to "life, the universe and everything") the real goal, in this case too, is to define "all", i.e. YOUR goals, i.e. your ALL. Otherwise, "all" becomes "none" as you search for something that does not exist.

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              • #22
                Ryan,

                what's up dude??
                don't you have some BJJ world champions or Black Belts to be training with?!?
                you need to stop spending soooo much time on these forums =p

                hope all is well.
                check the updates when you get a chance.
                had a Pan-Am Gold medalist training with us last weekend?
                it was awesome!!!

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                • #23
                  Christian,

                  Holy crap, you updated the news section! That happens, what, about every six to eight months?

                  You've got to cut me a little slack--it was my first post in months. And I do have some BJJ blackbelts to beat me up (and far too many other people who kill me too), so I think I'll get to that after this post.

                  Did you hear about the Yamasaki tournament? Margarida submitted Pe de Pano via armbar after dominating the entire match. It was sick.

                  I choked in my division, won one w/a rev triangle to triangle, then lost in the second round. Did better in the absolute, though. Tapped my first three guys in a 36 man division with triangles before losing in the finals to this 260+ dude from Holland.

                  That's awesome that you've got some real good people coming down to roll. How's training going lately? When's the next workshop you're doing? Shoot me an e-mail when you get the chance. Later man.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tant01
                    I respectfully disagree. The terminology is wrong. What would you be without a vascular system? A true system is a complete and orderly arrangement of all the things needed to accomplish a given task... Irrigation system, solar system, "fighting" system...Perhaps no one style is a complete system? I know what you mean but just yanking on the words...

                    A jet fighter is a weapons system too but you won't really NEED that to make your art a complete system...Do you? "Everything" implying a limited need for personal protection. No air to air missles or laser guided 2000 pounders, right?

                    I think you're on the right track with the JKD plan...They should have a system to meet your needs.
                    What is your JKD plan for fighting W.Silva?
                    What is the name of you JKD fighter representing your style?
                    Nothing/nobody as usual!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by wardancer
                      What is your JKD plan for fighting W.Silva?
                      What is the name of you JKD fighter representing your style?
                      Nothing/nobody as usual!

                      You barking up the wrong tree Mr. dancer?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Tant01
                        You barking up the wrong tree Mr. dancer?

                        Yes, I am known to chew a bone or two trown at me.

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