Perfecting Guillotine Choke

[Tant01]

No idea what kappo is...


It started off being a joke, but then it kinda got taken seriously, I've never had to use it, soo it shouldnt be a problem...

And I started this thread to talk about choking! not after choking! GRRR haha

Kappo = Resuscitation techniques. From the Ju-Jutsu school of chok'em blue ju-jitsu...Ryu ha (ha ha) Judo style.

[SamuraiGuy]

No idea what kappo is...

oh and btw CPR can recessitate people... I know I didnt spell that right, they can eventually come around, and yes I know what a defribulator is, (paddle thing you mentioned).....

It started off being a joke, but then it kinda got taken seriously, I've never had to use it, soo it shouldnt be a problem... and if you perform it properly, which I know how to, you wont destroy their ribs and what not, if your doing it properly you shouldnt be anywhere near the floating ribs....

and for the ambulance thing, the first thing you do after you analyze they arent waking up is phone EMS Emergency Medical Systems.... sooo.... wouldnt I do that anyway.

And I started this thread to talk about choking! not after choking! GRRR haha

[Tant01]

Just saying if I need to... jeez.... sometimes kids dont like to give up.....
....

I thought you were JOKING!


Dude. CPR will cause more damage than good in many cases. You will seperate floating ribs or crack them near the sternum. DON'T try it!


Samuraiguy better work on his KAPPO (SERIOUSLY)

[cakegirl]

Yay thankyou Onedragons for clarifying my point. God knows I'm not able to do it myself tonight, but that's kinda what I was getting at.

[OneDragons]

If you get to the point of having to use CPR it has gone waayyy beyond choking someone out. Perhaps the first aid course you went on was not very explicite on what CPR can and cannot do as well as levels of consciousness associated with choking/strangulation.

2 points which I hope you bear in mind, if they do not come round within a few seconds after release you choked for too long, call an ambulance. Secondly if you have to use CPR you WILL NOT RESUCITATE THEM DOING THIS you only keep them alive in the meantime. Thats what those funny machines with the paddles are for (they are not there for dramatic effect)

[SamuraiGuy]

Just saying if I need to... jeez.... sometimes kids dont like to give up... I usually will let go of a choke if I think they are going to get knocked out and not tap out.... I just slap on an armbar or something from there, kinda easy when they are on the brink of unconciousness....

[cakegirl]

Um, you should NOT have to use CPR to revive someone you choke!

[Tant01]

Ok, still dont know if im applying it the BJJ way, but .... I was also wondering what defines a neck crank... I mean the guillotine is not a neck crank is it?..

and someone above mentioned it... is a crank just where you turn their neck in an awkward position while choking them....

I also just got a CPR cert... so I should be able to bring back anyone to life that I choke out, my problem now is, I love the guillotine so much, I feel I may become predictable.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, although theres really not much they can do to defend it once ive wrapped my arm around them, or is there? hmmm maybe seem defense I dont know about...

Don't get too confident yet. A neck crank is when you apply pressure(torque) on the neck vertebrae. The guillotine is a neck crank because it qualifies as a "lock" when you isolate the parts connected to it while you apply the needed torque. Be careful, eh?

Defense against the lock begins long before the thing is defined...

[SamuraiGuy]

Ok, still dont know if im applying it the BJJ way, but it seems to be working, quite well I might add, I will try to bridge, as posted up above, but choking seems to work, I was also wondering what defines a neck crank... I mean the guillotine is not a neck crank is it?.. and someone above mentioned it... is a crank just where you turn their neck in an awkward position while choking them....

I also just got a CPR cert... so I should be able to bring back anyone to life that I choke out, my problem now is, I love the guillotine so much, I feel I may become predictable.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, although theres really not much they can do to defend it once ive wrapped my arm around them, or is there? hmmm maybe seem defense I dont know about...

[Ahoym8e]

keep the choke, sit down, close your guard around the opponent and bridge (straighten/arch your back).

instant tapout.

[cakegirl]

Defense against the guillotine (Mae Hadaka Jime) is like one of the very basic requirements for blue belts, isn't it? Seems like it's application should also be a fundamental thing to do... Even untrained guys will have this position handed to them from time to time...

Well, different schools have different requirements for belts, but it's probably a requirement at some.

And yes, this postition does get 'handed' to people a lot, especially from people who crunch forward with their posture... Then again, I've seen BJJ tournaments where, at least at beginner level, the guillotine was not allowed.

[Tant01]

Hey BBBB, you're right. BJJ/GJJ does not have to go to their ground. A lot of their self-defence moves are standing.

OH Geeze!!, Your secret's out NOW...

Defense against the guillotine (Mae Hadaka Jime) is like one of the very basic requirements for blue belts, isn't it? Seems like it's application should also be a fundamental thing to do... Even untrained guys will have this position handed to them from time to time...

[cakegirl]

Hey BBBB, you're right. BJJ/GJJ does not have to go to their ground. A lot of their self-defence moves are standing.

[bbbb]

Therefore?!

...what if you (gently) pushed, almost walked, them backward's.

Or is that a crank!?

Cool Post- I think I know what you are talking about.

So Brazillian JJ doesn't have to go to the ground does it!?

(It's only when it's two quality opponent's that that's where it does go )?!

Cool Post!!

[cakegirl]

There is a defence against the guillotine, which is effective if done soon enough. e.g. it's in the fighter's notebook http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/Figh...book_Index.cfm and it's taught at bjj schools everywhere.

As for making your guillotine better, I used to use the arm under their neck to move upwards - imagine opening one of those windows that slides upwards. Then someone (maybe Royce) suggested instead, I imagine my forearm is a door, and my elbow is the hinge, and that I "close the door", effectively making the space where my opponent's head has to fit smaller, rather than just higher.

Also, Royler insists that with a standing guillotine, you should only be using your arms to apply the choke, not raising your hips, or you're in danger of losing your balance backwards if they push.