most effective street fighting style?

[AznWarrior]

Also, has anyone ever heard of Geoff Thompson? I mean, his stuff is pretty good, and he's proven it time after time in real life situations. I mean MMA is AWSOME stuff, and I love training, but if I could train for any amount of time under a guy like Geoff Thompson.... Anyone who doesn't know who he is check out his autobiography,"Watch My Back". Again, not trying to start heated debate.... just throwing stuff out there.

[Tant01]

Welcome Aznw...

Somtimes, I think it would even be an advantage to have no weapon, if you really know how to fight, or have any training, the average dude tryin rob you with a knife isnt gonna take you down, most likely. True, anything COULD happen, he could be trained,(though unlikely) most guys who have a knife in their hand focus soley on that knife rather than using it as an extension of themselves. This makes them clumsy.... instead of having their whole body, which is a number of lethal weapons at their disposal, they have one weapon. I mean if you take the knife.... hes got nothing and hes scared, his game plan most likely didn't revolve around getting a knife taken away. Just throwing something out there.....

Thanks Anzwarrior and welcome.

This is indeed a very good point. Training to use a weapon is just like training without a weapon because as you become familiar with the types of attacks you also learn ways to defend against (avoid) them. It is really the ONLY way to become confident in your ability to disarm someone. Recognize the tactics or feints of armed attackers even before you see a weapon, avoid ambushes, etc.

Further if you deploy a deadly weapon in a case that does not call for that much force you become the criminal. Better to know how to evade a punch, kick or combination attack, common takedowns and transition to his back for a good naked choke, eh? Unarmed is always better but you can't count on the criminals to be so unprepared.

How can positional dominance and restraint techniques help keep you out of court and jail or prison?

Can an untrained fighter with a knife kill or seriously injure a trained martial artist?

I think we all know the answer to that one...

[AznWarrior]

Well put, well put.

[Tant01]

Also, has anyone ever heard of Geoff Thompson? I mean, his stuff is pretty good, and he's proven it time after time in real life situations. I mean MMA is AWSOME stuff, and I love training, but if I could train for any amount of time under a guy like Geoff Thompson.... Anyone who doesn't know who he is check out his autobiography,"Watch My Back". Again, not trying to start heated debate.... just throwing stuff out there.

I'm on his mailing list....

His movie "CLUBBED" (based on his book WATCH MY BACK) is going into production....
Should be interesting.

[AznWarrior]

Yea, I can't wait to see that movie. He's an inspiring person no doubt.

[EmptyneSs]

savate is pretty good for the street. i think savate is pretty underrated, especially since usa is kinda anti french. its like kickboxing with a weapon. but anyway savate evolved from being tested in street fighting for many years in france not sport savate though, but original savate. savate covers boxing, kickboxing, stick and knife, sweeps, and some grappling and joint locks. the techniques are street oriented too, thats why they have certain kicks with the point of the shoe, u can inflict more damage wearing a decent shoe. savates conditioning is great too, because its alot of boxing and kickboxing drills and conditining. u become fast and agile and will learn techniques that are effectve. savates stick and knife skills are good too, as these were tested in real combat. not only that, but savate as a martial art even covers proper usage of chairs in combat since its availaible alot of timesl. savate is pretty complete compared to most arts, and very realistic.
check out this page it has an awesome history on savate

http://www.bridgemansavate.com/historical.html

[47MartialMan]

I dont think ONE art can be the most effective.

I think to be the best one can is to study a few arts.

Versitility is the key.

I wonder if anyone truely know what a Bodhisattva is?

[Dom Shakal]

A Bodhisattva is one who has elected to postpone their enlightenment/nirvana/whatever in order to return to this world for the benefit of others. Buddhist philosphy suggests that while here, Bodhisattvas may not even realize that's what they are - Mother Teresa being a possible example.

The book, The Way of the Bodhisattva, by Shantideva, is a good introduction of how to approach this way of life - for Buddhists and nonBuddhists alike.

[47MartialMan]

A Bodhisattva is one who has elected to postpone their enlightenment/nirvana/whatever in order to return to this world for the benefit of others. Buddhist philosphy suggests that while here, Bodhisattvas may not even realize that's what they are - Mother Teresa being a possible example.

The book, The Way of the Bodhisattva, by Shantideva, is a good introduction of how to approach this way of life - for Buddhists and nonBuddhists alike.

I wonder if anyone truely know what a Bodhisattva is?
Looks like someone does

[LatinoHeat]

What about Shorinji Kempo for Street Defence Links

http://www.bskf.org/

http://shorinjikempobc.ca/

http://homepage1.nifty.com/shorinji/engindex.htm

http://www.torontoshorinji.org/

http://www.eglinton-shorinji.org/page3.html

http://www.jccc.on.ca/classact/ma-shorinjikempo.shtml

http://www.sko.ca/

http://members.shaw.ca/wskobc/sk.html

However my preference would be a mixture of the following arts: Krav Maga, Muay Thai Kickboxing, Firearms Training, Sambo, Gene Lebells Jiu Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Wing Chun, & Filipino Martial Arts.

This of course would be a lifetime study.
MMA training plus weapons both martial arts weapons & firearms training would make one the fighter.
In the streets its survival that counts not flashy techniques.
My preference is Firearms training alternative Krav Maga & MMA.

[Testosterone]

I have been thinking about this question lately a lot also. I think there is currently no one art that could be called the most effective, but rather, it is a mixture of several. There needs to be a standing/striking combat art, Muay Thai preferably, with the best groundwork IMO, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and a philipino martial art for some weapons work (which would be necessary for street fighting).

[Tant01]

Redundant or what?

[QUOTE=LatinoHeat....
However my preference would be a mixture of the following arts: Krav Maga, ..., Firearms Training, Sambo, Gene Lebells Jiu Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Wing Chun, & Filipino Martial Arts.

......In the streets its survival that counts not flashy techniques.
My preference is Firearms training alternative Krav Maga & MMA.[/QUOTE]


(JUDO) Gene LeBelle is a Judoka (9th Dan Kodokan) He teaches Judo, not "Jiu-Jitsu"

While Krav Maga is very popular and much in demand I happen to agree with Mark Tripp... (6th Dan Kodokan Judo)

"Krav Maga as taught in the US is Tae Bo with an attitude. Their weapon disarms will get you killed, and their books are in the stores so you can see for yourself." M. Tripp.

[LatinoHeat]

Gene Lebell actually teaches both Judo & Jiu Jitsu Grappling

Actually Gene Lebell Teaches both Judo & Jiu Jitsu Grappling I went to two of his seminars .
Phillip

[Tant01]

"Actually"

Actually Gene Lebell Teaches both Judo & Jiu Jitsu Grappling I went to two of his seminars .
Phillip

Hey Phillip... I think you're confused. Don't take my word for it!


Gokor (CHIVICHYAN) can confirm or deney your assertation but you might check your spelling, "Jiu-Jitsu" ??? Gokor is the head instructor of LeBelle's grappling system.


E-mail: Gokor@Gokor.com

[Tant01]

Ask Gene LeBell what he calls his style of fighting and he'll say "grappling". Ask anyone who has ever fought Gene LeBell what to call his style, and they'll call it "painful".

http://www.genelebell.com/glgw.htm

Good enough for me...