Originally posted by Tom Yum
					
				
				
			
		
 
							
						
							
						
 . Admittedly, maybe I should not have called him a tool, never met him. But what he teaches is BS, plain and simple. I trained with one of his so called top students in Toronto for a while, and this is how I picked up on the Vu that the other fuckhead on this forum mentioned. The guy teaching this stuff was always saying Vu this and Vu that. As for me, my first name is Jeff and I can be found at www.bjj.ca. I do not give my whole name to an internet jerkoff I do not know (I bet you are proud you do, but you are really just an idiot). If you show up I will give you the last name and we can train and roll some. 
							
						
 . What I saw of his system was shit, I stand by that. I am not a jujitsu guy. I was boxing and training Muay Thai 12 fucking years ago, along with wrestling. (who's boy in what system does that make me?) At this point I did not even know what jujitsu was. Sure I train bjj as part of the club I am at now. I had no idea he was associated with gracie, and I do not give a shit how close you are to him. I just know what this student was teaching in 1996 (and any one of the guys I trained boxing and MT with could have gone in there and kicked his ass). Maybe he did not teach this student all he had to offer, I have no idea (but I am now interested to know).  I do not give a **** about you or Vu and how close the two of you are. I tried to tell you what I was basing my assesment on, that I had never met him, only one of his top students and instead of being informative, you are insulting again, so **** you! I am anything but narrow minded. I am very open to knew ideas, but not so much to insults. Mine were only directed at one member here, now also at you
 Accomplishments? What about you? I have trained because I love it, have fun and compete as well as stay in shape. Those are the only accomplishments I have ever strived for in my training. You on the other hand train the deadly arts to kill, am I right? 
							
						
 Accomplishments? What about you? I have trained because I love it, have fun and compete as well as stay in shape. Those are the only accomplishments I have ever strived for in my training. You on the other hand train the deadly arts to kill, am I right? 
 I hope you get humble someday.... until then
							
						
 I hope you get humble someday.... until then
							
						
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