BJJ training advice

[shamster]

I posted in the past month about how during the after class randori/sparring, I keep tapping out to everyone, most likely because I am the newest in the class (at least the newest among people who stay and roll after class). This of course continues. Even if I think I'm getting better, the more advanced people are also improving, so I still get schooled by them.

Would it be a good idea to change how I roll after class? Instead of the "anything goes" approach, would it be better for me to ask a classmate to work only on certain positions? For example, I kept getting triangled last night for some reason. Would it be better to have someone put me in their guard, with their only objective being to triangle me, while all I try to do is avoid it? I'm not sure if this type of slower approach would work, but I was thinking it could be a way to at least improve one one common thing each night.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

[OneDragons]

Sounds like a good idea. Live drills are great for working individual skills as if you want to work one area in particular you have to force that position which can be difficukt, especially if they are better than you. Its actually something I want to do a lot more of (not the triangle escape specifically but this kind of live drill approach).

[Tant01]

For some reason...?

I posted in the past month about how during the after class randori/sparring, I keep tapping out to everyone, .....

Would it be a good idea to change how I roll after class? Instead of the "anything goes" approach, would it be better for me to ask a classmate to work only on certain positions? For example, I kept getting triangled last night for some reason. .....


Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

Are they cutting you any slack or just picking on you? Is this after class "randori" supervised?

If you're just a grappling "dummy" for the more advanced players you might just need to stand up to them and tell them you are there TO LEARN and not just to get chain choked with everyone taking a turn on you.

Talk to the instructor about it and maybe ask for a private lesson on the side once in a while to get you up to speed with the rest of the class.

It can be a long painfull road to learn it by trial and error!

[Ronson]

Honestly, I think you're too new to be askin'/requesting things from the advanced guys. Since you're new, schooling you is sort of a test to see if you're committed and will stick around. Plus tapping ALOT is part of the learning process - it will build your defence and escape skills. If you roll with them enough, you'll learn triangle defence and escapes. Then I'm sure you'll get schooled in another area - guess what? same cycle.

[shamster]

They definitely are not picking on me. The guy that schooled me last night is acttually a more experienced white belt (started a few months before me at my school and prior to that, had roughly a year of grappling experience elsewhere). Anyhow, he would show me what he did afterwards to get me to tap and what to look out for. Still though, I need more work on it.

The people in my class are helpful, in that they would probably be willing to work with me however I want. Usually I do like to roll full speed...at least with other white belts. I enjoy it because I can test myself to see how well I can apply what I learn, even if it's just the basics. Plus it's fun Anyhow, as fun as it may be, I was wondering if it would be better for me to break down the rolling into more specific parts to focus on. Or do people here feel that me rolling full speed and getting use to it is actually the better overall learning experience?

[Tant01]

They definitely are not picking on me. ...
... Anyhow, he would show me what he did afterwards to get me to tap and what to look out for. Still though, I need more work on it.

The people in my class are helpful, in that they would probably be willing to work with me however I want. Usually I do like to roll full speed...at least with other white belts. I enjoy it because I can test myself to see how well I can apply what I learn, even if it's just the basics. Plus it's fun Anyhow, as fun as it may be, I was wondering if it would be better for me to break down the rolling into more specific parts to focus on. Or do people here feel that me rolling full speed and getting use to it is actually the better overall learning experience?

That is good to know. You know what you need and you're getting it. You could seek more specialized training within the curriculum or you could learn some tricks of your own.

Rolling with your fellow white belts is probably the best for now not to slow them down too much with working a single technique or escape. Part of the fun of "free" time is learning ways to get there on your own. Experiment with the dynamics and familarize yourself with the fundamental transitions, positions and avoiding obvious mistakes.

Below is a link to one of MY favorite websites. This particular type of technique has a few names in your BJJ/GJJ.
"Americana" sound familiar? How about "Kimura"? (They named the technique after the Judoka that broke Helio's arm with it.)
In Judo they are Ude Garami. Bent arm lock or arm entanglement lock.

Check this out. If you like it check out the rest of the chokes and armlocks. It's very similar to your Jiu-Jutsu.

http://www.judoinfo.com/quiz0297_2.htm

"Cross" armlock...

http://www.judoinfo.com/jujigatame.htm

Lapel choke(s)

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/shime/gyaku_juji_jime.gif

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/shime/nami_juji_jime.gif

All the best with your Ju...

[Ronson]

IMO, at this point in your development, general rolling would be best. It gives you a chance to develop your base and "rolling legs." It's good to learn from everyone at different levels - guys who can tool you (how long can you survive game), guys roughly at your level, and guys YOU can tool (just have to wait for some newbies). The focusing of specific parts of your game comes later, but until then get the basics down.

Good luck.

[b00m3r]

For example, I kept getting triangled last night for some reason. Would it be better to have someone put me in their guard, with their only objective being to triangle me, while all I try to do is avoid it?

I suggest you don't do that exactly. Starting from guard isn't bad but don't have your partner handcuffed to only trying to triangle you. Rather, learn to avoid all submissions from the guard. If you get submitted stop to ask your partner how they were able to do so and where you left yourself vulnerable. If you're constantly getting triangled you're likely making the same mistake over and over. A good training partner will gladly point out your mistakes.