Athletes like Kerr cant beat bums like Igor?

[Robin Hood]

I just got back from watching the Pride with Igor and Mark Kerr. I must say I think Kerr is big strong athlete that is like superman. I see him at Abu Dahbi and I think nobody can match his strength or skill. Then I see this fat a$$ bum Igor who look like he eat too many chocolate cakes and drink too much Vodka and he beat the crap out of Kerr. Not just the standing up either, Igor throw Kerr around and push him around on the ground and Kerr only can cover up and hoping Igor does not hurt him.
This happen also in their first fight where Igor beat the crap out of kerr but used the illegal kneees. This second fight was the same except that Igor not use the illegal knees.

Why can Igor destroy Kerr so easy but he cannot defeat Coleman?

[rockinronnie]

I missed the Coleman / Vovchancyn match, what Pride was that, or was that at Abu Dhabi?

Anyway Robin Hood, how can you call Vovchancyn that after what he's accomplished thus far?

He's a natural wonder...what else can he be?

He has the gift of strength, speed, and (for lack of a better word) "the killer instinct".

As Tito Ortiz has said before...."this is my calling"...

the same applies to Vovchancyn.

Ronnie.

[phillyman]

Igor

Like they say in boxing styles make fight and i think that igor is stronger than Kerr and has enough skill to throw him off his game. Sort of like Holyfield can beat Tyson/ Lewis can beat Holyfield/ but i dont think that Lewis can beat Tyson. Hopes this makes sense the way i have it written.

[AKIRA SHOJI]

PLUS the fact it was a tournament. Igor fought once then he had to fight Sakuraba, (the guy beating everyone) then he had to fight Coleman. Coleman fought Akira Shoji, then he got a forfiet over Fujita, so he comes in fresher. Im not saying Coleman cant beat Igor, but it would be alot tougher if it was a one fight deal, instead of a tournament. Another note, is I heard from a reliable source who knows and has trained with both Coleman and Kerr, that Kerr fights mainly for the money, Coleman actually wants to be the best fighter on the planet.

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

Coleman did a better job with Igor in controlling and domminating the better positions. I think in a rematch, Igor can take it but the fight would go either way. Robin Hood, please stop the name calling. Just because he doesnt look like a body builder does not mean he is out of shape or a lard ass. He obviously trains very hard, which is indicated by his recent and past victories. I do believe if his build was a hinderance to his performance in the ring, he would lose weight accordingly. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

[Robin Hood]

rockinronnie this coleman fight was in pride gp. coleman won with illegal knees to igors head. I am ashamed when I see guys who have trained all their life and have tried out for Olypmic teams get beat up by a fat lazy Russian with a strong punch and a good base. Just because igor has low center of gravity and he has hard punch does not mean he can be able to manhandle these top wrestlers. What if Igor had tried out for wrestling when he was youthful? He might be an Olympic champ now. I saw the interview with Igor from Russian sports magazine and Igor say he does not train very much he just live in high altitude amd eats lots of food and works out on the heavy bag and lifts rocks. This is pathetic compared to the modern training that Kerr and Coleman gets. Why can this Russian farmhand destroy the worlds best? Noobody really has answered my questions yet.

[Oberleutnant]

Muscle definition is determined by subcutaneous bodyfat levels. Qualitative strength performance factors (starting strength, absolute strength, acceleratory strength, isotonic strength, explosive strength, intra-intermuscular coordinationetc.) have NOTHING to do with subcutanous bodyfat levels; simply because one guy is more defined than another does not mean he is stronger, faster, or more coordinated. If this held true, why aren't IFBB bodybuilders dominating all sports? Why is it in their competition form, bodybuilders are at their weakest when it is at this time they posses the greatest muscular definition? It's overly simplistic and narrowminded to base performance ability off of muscular definition alone.

[Robin Hood]

oberleftenant
I know what you mean but I still believe that a real athlete who burns calories all day will look much fitter than igor does. I dont mean they should look like bodybuilders I just mean they should look in shape. I dont see to many peoples with igors build in the Olypmics except for one of the Judoka from some small country. I also saw a overweight wrestler but neither him or the fat Judoka did very good at the Olympics.
Your explanation was good thankyou. This theory maybe can be applied to Scott Ferrozo also? He seemed to have good strength and cardio fitness for such a fat man.
Does this mean that body fat can translate into physical strength? So if we eat more pizza and drink more beer we will get stronger?

[Oberleutnant]

Robin Hood: You said "I know what you mean " -from your later remarks, I don't think so. You completely missed the point.

re: "Does this mean that body fat can translate into physical strength? " -No, it doesn't.

The snynopsis of my post was that judging performance capacity simply by assessing visual muscular definition is flawed. Nothing I said insinuated nor supported the idea fat = strength, but rather subcutaneous fat levels within reasonable limits bear non-existant correlation to performance capability.

It's not healthy for a guy to be a 'fat ass'-ie above %17-20. But within reasonable limits (%15 or less, roughly), there is no evidence to suggest that lower subcutanous body fat levels = greater performance. Many NFL, NHL, elite olympic lifters, olympic shot(track & field) athletes (re: olympics) and even a few NBA notables(ie-Bird) from past & present had similar bodyfat compositions. Keep in mind genetic factors also play a significant role; some may find it easy to maintain relatively low levels of subcutaneous bodyfat levels without negatively affecting performance, while others will only achieve super low bodyfat levels at the cost of athletic performance from performance detrimental dieting methods. And if you still don't get it...well you just don't- I've spent enough time lecturing

[Robin Hood]

Thanks for explaining that. So in other words a fat ass can be just as good a fighter as an athlete. Thats really bizarre and it makes me want to quit training now so I can end up looking like Igor and kick some butt. I still dont understand how someone carrying so much body fat can have the same cardio fitness as a person that trains hard each day.

[What's inside a girl?]

Originally posted by Robin Hood
Thanks for explaining that. So in other words a fat ass can be just as good a fighter as an athlete. Thats really bizarre and it makes me want to quit training now so I can end up looking like Igor and kick some butt. I still dont understand how someone carrying so much body fat can have the same cardio fitness as a person that trains hard each day.

That's because you are a moron. Now go back and reread the thread dipshite.

[sccr06]

Robin Hood: did you read that Igor interview on-line? If so, can you post the URL? I would like to check it out.
Also on the Igor/bodyfat issue...I can see why he is strong and in shape to fight. DOn't be fooled by his having body fat. Remember where he said he lives. He probably needs that body fat to live at altitude and freezing temperatures.
I know lots of strong SF guys who look like Igor but ruck march for weeks and then go into combat. But they need the body fat to sustain certain climatic and environmental environments.

[troll's lover]

Robin Hood, you're so sexy.

[Alan]

erm... what? He needs body fat? Just because he's from Russia? sure it's cold but I seriously doubt that in this case the body fat is a direct response to conditions. Remember Igor wasn't always that "well nourished" has anyone seen him a couple of years ago? at AFC 1 he looked bloody thin, a couple of years later he was a lot chubbier, possibly as a result of a combination of age and/or diet, but i agree with you when you say that being slightly on the fat side doesn't stop you from being very, very hard... as igor has proved, he just has the heart and right attributes to be an incredible fighter...

[Robin Hood]

trolls lover you are sick my friend.