Does judo's groundwork have any advantges over BJJ's?

[crosstrainedwar]

For the most part, BJJ's groundwork is superior to judo's. However, some people claim that judo's groundwork has some advantages over BJJ's, like better armdrags into submissions, better pinning techniques, and better side postions, like scarf holds and the north/south postion. Some people claim that pinning techniques are too risky for the street though. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks in advance.

[OmaPlata]

some of the judo stuff is difficult to escape from if you never train to defend against it or escape from it, our instructor used to teach us ways to escape Judo holds just cuz some Judo blacks were in our class, but he often did it when they werent their, so to kinda **** with em and keep the white belts one step ahead

[EmptyneSs]

judos groundwork tends to be much more explosive than bjj, because of the rules of judo. u have to finish your opponent fast on the ground, or u will get stood up by the referee.

[Bom_de_Chão]

I'm a Black Belt in Judo and a Blu Belt in BJJ. Although emphasys in Judo changes a lot from Dojo to Dojo, most Judo Dojos are not very good in the ground when it compares to BJJ. There is a lot more that a Judoka can learn from a BJJer than a BJJer can learn from a Judoka if the subject is ground.

Said that, there are a few things that the Judoka might do better. Wether those thins are usefull or not in a BJJ competition or MMA match is a differetn story.

Here are a few things that the Judoka does better.

1. Pinning. This includes pinning from the side mount (yoko-shiho), headlock (kesa gatame), 69 or north-south (kami-shiho) and variations. The catch here is that the Judoka pin is better because he or she will use every part of his or her body in order to pin. The judoka is not so much worried about submitting since if he or she has a pin for 25 seconds, the Judo match is over. Since he or she is not worried about submitting, he or she won't let go of any grip, unless when transitioning to a better position. This behavior in a BJJ match can be awarded a penalty. As a personal note, I sometimes manage to pin other BJJ Blue Belts and some BJJ Purple Belts with Judo like pins. I tend to do this to rest. Most of the time the BJJers can't get out. However, when I let go of a arm to attempt the submission, the pin is no longer superior and the filed is somewhat leveled. Another point is that, never have I been able to pin a brown or Black Belt BJJer. In fact, alot attempts of pinning a BJJer Black Belt or Brown Belt resulted with them on my back.

2. Attacking the turtle. Judoka seem to know more attacks to the turtle than I've seen on my BJJ classes. This is partially because Judokas tend to hide on the turtle very often in competition. Therefore, the need to attack it. The Judoka attacks to the turtles are not so much about getting the back, but front and side entries to sankaku (triangle) and armbars. These entries are sometimes a stretch or a roll of uke.

What you can learn from a Judoka are throws. On that they are probably the best. Foot sweeps for instance, are not that hard to learn (at least basic ones), are easy to practice, low risk to attempt and when successful, can get you into a superior position when on the ground.

[Balo]

Judo's emphasis of acheiving a quick submission or hold is more realistic approach fighting in regards to self defence applications, where you cannot roll on the ground for long periods.

[dkm]

I was attending a class yesterday given by Karo Parisyan. There were ten of us in the class so everyone got good amount of personal attention from him. He basically showed us how judo can be used in MMA. I have to say that I was truly impressed. I can see where the advantages over BJJ come in with the techniques he was using. Although he trains in both judo and BJJ.