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  • Not all Kung Fu guys are idiots

    Originally posted by Tim Cartmell of Shen Wu martial arts (another Tai Chi guy)

    All of the famous Chinese masters (those who were famous for actually fighting) cross trained. Here's the bottom line; if you are going to fight for real for a living, and the potential of injury or death is high, nonsensical notions about being 'true' to one style never arise. You learn whatever you think will help you win (and survive). No one martial art has all the answers to every situation. Fights in old China went exactly as fights go today; punch and kick-grab/clinch- one or both fighters go down and the fight continues. Besides the occasional 'one punch knockout,' and fights between two vastly mis-matched opponents, this is how the vast majority of real fights go. It is also true that the famous 'Internal' masters of China all cross trained (because they really fought). It is also true that virtually without exception, they all learned some Shuai Jiao (Chinese style wrestling). it is interesting to note that although illegal in competition, Shuai Jiao contains basic ground fighting skills. Anyone who can only grapple on the ground should learn some practical stand up skills. Stand up fighters need to learn some ground fighting. If our goal is practical fighting skills, and in light of the fact that the famous martial artists of old we so admire all cross trained, in would seem fairly presumptuous of us to think that we know better, and only need to practice fragments of the martial arts.




  • #2
    Hear, Hear!
    Glad to see you back Water Dragon, I decided to make my first post! Im finally back!

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    • #3
      How's you're BJJ training going, Yella? Las time I read your post, you mentioned that you found a grappling school...

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      • #4
        them cats was fast as lightning

        I'm glad to see all 3 of you dudes are back!!!

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        • #5
          Yeah ...

          Just you guys. Doh!

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          • #6
            I agree that a lot of kung fu masters do/did crosstrain and are/were great fighters. Only thing is, most of the time people who defend kung fu talk about the greats in the past, when what matters most to us is NOW. There are great kung fu fighters today who crosstrain all ranges and can kick some buttock in real fights. But that's not the norm in modern kung fu.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ravenman
              There are great kung fu fighters today who crosstrain all ranges and can kick some buttock in real fights. But that's not the norm in modern kung fu.
              True, but that's the case in all arts. BJJ included. When BJJ first hit the scene, it tended to attract more hard core types. Now that it is getting more popular, the "others" are coming on board.

              I've seen it already. People tapping when they are in no danger because they think it's polite. Then no one learns and you think what you are doing is effective when it's not.

              I think the only art that has been immune to this so far is western boxing and wrestling and maybe Muay Thai. And that's only because if you take those, you FIGHT... End of story.

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              • #8
                Thanks Y'all!

                How did you get the Master's status?? Can I have my 349 posts back?? Or at least I think it was like that...well I told my coach that Im quiting TKD for GOOD. Man it was really hard to face her, but I agreed to stay until I compete in the Arnold Classic in March. I found a school called the Martial Arts Fighting Acadamy (MAFA) It has JKD, GRAPPING, THAI BOXING!! and Savate. The school has reps from the Inosano Acadamy, and some other people from LA. So Im happy, only time is the last factor for furthering accelerating my M.A. future!!

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