traditional Ju Jutsu

[Tant01]

To add there were some early Judoka (high ranking) that saw a need for Atemi in randori... Unfortunately the Kodokan never really warmed up to the idea.

So in that sense it becomes jujutsu again by making it back into a "FIGHTING" art as opposed to a friendly competition, PE and "gentle way" of learning jujutsu techniques...

If they do teach weapons it would be cool to see some tantojutsu techniques... How do you put THAT into randori?

[sapatiero]

Call it whatever you like. Thanks for the proof read but it's still looks a lot like Judo to me.

JJJ was the original mother art used on the battlefields of Japan by the samurai. Later, the throws & grappling were sportified and turned into judo (ie. the original ogoshi was back-to-back not back-to-belly and broke the throwees neck), the strikes & kicks were used in creating Karate, and the flowing circular stuff were used in creating Aikido. To my knowledge, the judo dogi is what the Samarai wore as underwear under their armour. These arts obviously had influences from other areas also, but the basics came from JJJ.

So in JJJ kumite, we started with some kicks/strikes like Mae Geri or Gakazoki (Karate - pardon my spelling!), may have got a clinch and used a throw like Tai Otoshi (Judo) or four directional (Aikido), then used Shimi waza on the ground to work towards a submission.

So you´re absolutely correct - you do see judo in there.

[sapatiero]

It basically says it is very similar to Judo.

At this point, I am considering starting either Judo or BJJ. My Karate dojo is thinking of starting Judo there, and if they do...I am in. If not, I will probably be going the BJJ route. I would be interested in any arguments in favor of one or the other..polite arguments, that is!

Generally if you learn judo, you´ll be better and takedowns & throws, if you learn BJJ you´ll be better at submissions on the ground. Both arts do both, but emphasise different areas. Judo will have more tradition (bowing in & the sensei/student relationship etc.), whereas BJJ will be a lot more casual. If you´re a little more ´mature´, then BJJ may involve less injuries as throwing can sometimes mean sprained toes & bruised ribs.