Best Fighters in MMA currently?

[blitz]

Everyone seems to forget that BJJ has some takedowns. Falling on concrete hurts, no one in his right mind will pull his opponent into his guard on concrete. But if you end up in a position you know how to escape, he doesn't. You can also throw in a few submissions which work in no gi and wont cause harm.

Don't bash a good art because something else works better in other situations. And don't forget, most fights end up on the ground and lots of fights involve headlocks and holds which can be escaped from EASILY when you take BJJ.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Do you mind explaining that?

Genki Sudo/Hidehiko Yoshida/Tito Ortiz/Vanderlei Silva

Yeah, he's been beaten by Rulon Gardner who had just begun fighting, and yes, he is good but not the BEST currently because he could get whooped by Silva, Jackson, Arona, Colemon, Rua......and Sik. http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/ind...ghters&fID=182 I love Yoshida, but he is not better than a few in his weight class right now...but if he wins another fight against a worthy opponent, the we'll see!

[Shoot]

Wwii H2h

I agree that WWII combatives “work.” I also agree with the Fairbairn/Applegate/Sykes school of thought on using a few simple techniques that can be applied in all sorts of situations. The problem with these techniques is the same as their purpose–they are designed and do work in real, life or death combat. It is important to learn a lessor degree of force, such as open palm boxing skills and BJJ for situations where less than lethal force should be used. Also, even Applegate and Fairbairn espoused the value of Jiu-jitsu. The problem they had with JJ was that it takes too long to learn and can be overcome by the use of lethal blows. Even pre-WWII Judo/Jiu-jitsu recognized this. You’ll notice that Atemi Waza are very similar to WWII combatives. So, this is all to say that you should learn how to roll around on the ground. You can visualize using Atemi Waza when you roll for the time when you might need it. Obviously, you can’t practice Atemi Waza.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Doesnt' BJJ's takedowns consist of most of the takedowns in wrestling and Judo? I want to do BJJ or GJJ

[danfaggella]

Am I the only person who is surprised that this guy is claiming superiority over all arts with his WWII combatives? Calling modern "sportive" martial artists idiots? Sure many fighters aren't the smartest or best people, but these arts are valid and have a good many expereinced exponents. I am suprised nobody is lashing back at these comments.

Defenduman, I don't have anything against you, but your comments are appauling. Refering to your one method as "the one true way" and the "real deal" makes you no better than the guys who claim BJJ is the best art, or muay thai is the best art, or aikido is the best art. This is closed minded and sad, I want you to train at other schools and in other methods, don't train under one guy and revere him as your god, look around you. Don't insult any other martial arts, seriously, don't call what you do INTRINSICALLY BETTER than what I or anyone else does unless you have reason and argument, you have no idea why i or any of these people practice martial arts or what we train in or how we train.

[SamuraiGuy]

The best UFC fighter is Chuck Liddel, the best PFC fighter is Wanderlei Silva!

What are you stupid? The best pride fighter is easily Fedor, dont be such a knob, and Arvloski could bitch smack Lidell.

There heavyweights you say?

That doesnt change the fact that they are better.

Lidell and Silva arent at the top of most P4P fighters, where as Hughes,Gomi, Fedor, Bj Penn, are.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Who is Liddell gonna fight next? I think he'll win 3 more times(at max) then get beaten with a sub. But skill wise for striking, Liddell(almost at peak) is better than Arvloski(who wil get better), but sub. wise, Arvloski is better though he's still a phenomenal striker. Ofcoarse Hughes and Franklin are good too but they still have time to really get better.
For PRIDE FC, Fedor, Takanori Gomi, W.Silva, and Coleman(maybe) are at the top of their game right now.
Ofcoarse their is others like D.Sanchez, GsP, Penn, Griffin, Horn, Rua, Arona, Jackson, Sik and others...

[SamuraiGuy]

Who is Liddell gonna fight next? I think he'll win 3 more times(at max) then get beaten with a sub. But skill wise for striking, Liddell(almost at peak) is better than Arvloski(who wil get better), but sub. wise, Arvloski is better though he's still a phenomenal striker. Ofcoarse Hughes and Franklin are good too but they still have time to really get better.
For PRIDE FC, Fedor, Takanori Gomi, W.Silva, and Coleman(maybe) are at the top of their game right now.
Ofcoarse their is others like D.Sanchez, GsP, Penn, Griffin, Horn, Rua, Arona, Jackson, Sik and others...

Wow....

First of all, Lidell will probably be fed someone before fighting Babalu for the title, or he may just fight babalu in the fall due to his injured toe.

Lidell doesnt have better striking skills than Arvloski's. Arvloski has just as much power (bigger) and is far more technical than Chuck, although I'm not denying chuck's skills. I would say Chuck is a better striker than Rich Franklin, but Rich Franklin has better technical striking, (Franklin doesnt have as much power).

You think on the ground arvloski is better, we havent really seen arvloski fight on the ground, but Chuck has good college wrestling credentials, and hes a purple belt in BJJ, are you sure Arvloski has better ground skills than that? We've never seen much from Arvloski on the ground as everyone hes tapped he's done after hes got them almost knocked out.

Oh and btw, coleman is nowhere near his prime, sure he beat shogun with a fluke takedown, but hes way past it, hes pretty old now.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Babalu? Are you joking? I dont really like Liddel all that much but damn, he knocks out everyone! Im a big fan of Arvloski cause ive seen him in real life, and I know he's a better fighter than Chuck, so the best fighter in the UFC is Arvloski.
In Pride, isnt it Silva(besides Fedor) now?

[SamuraiGuy]

Ummm, alot of people like Silva but... no one really can tell who is the best in pride other than fedor.

I suppose you have to just look at the heavyweight rankings to see, and many people have different ones, personally I would say Fedor is the best, than Big Nog second, as the only people that have beat him are Fedor, and Dan Henderson by a split decision in RINGS competition.

Nog has beaten all comers except Fedor, Sapp, CroCop, etc....

CroCop has beaten silva, so is silva better than him, well... some people thought silva won that fight, so you cant really tell right. Alot of people feel Mauricio Shogun Rua is better than Wanderlei but they are teammates, Ricardo Arona recently beat Silva in the last MiddleWeight Grand Prix, but lost their second fight, some people feel he won.

The only pure cut best is Fedor, and possibly Nog right under him.

With that said, there is no fucking way in hell I am joking with Babalu, Babalu is the real deal man, since his loss to chuck he has ten wins in a row, defeating Trevor Prangley, Jeremy Horn and FUCKING SHOGUN in the same night. Shogun is considered to be the best 205'er in the world, some people say its Wandy, and some say Chuck, but Shogun is fucking up there and Babalu beat him.

Combined with his ten fight win streak, Babalu is on a roll, he's the real deal, and when he was fighting Chuck he wasnt beatdown or outclassed he just got caught with a headkick, anyone can get caught once.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

They should have Chuck fight the top Pride 205'r and Arvloski fight Fedor, that would be so classic

[Mikeb85]

You think on the ground arvloski is better, we havent really seen arvloski fight on the ground, but Chuck has good college wrestling credentials, and hes a purple belt in BJJ, are you sure Arvloski has better ground skills than that? We've never seen much from Arvloski on the ground as everyone hes tapped he's done after hes got them almost knocked out.

Arlovski has good ground skills, he was the Euro and World Youth Sambo champ in 1999, also got silver medals at the Sambo World Cup and World Sambo championships.

[SamuraiGuy]

I'm aware of Arvloski's sambo skills... do I think they match up to chuck's ground skills not neccessarily, I dont have a source on this but I've heard some people question Arvloski's sambo skills, Im not questioning them, even if they are 100% legit, which they probably are.... I still dont think his ground game, or defense of the ground game is as good as chucks.

Oh and Pride Vs UFC fighters is almost never going to happen... Pride Champs vs UFC champs is a dream of almost every MMA fan... go to sherdog and post that you think it should happen and see what types of response you get...

Thing is its not going to happen, neither Org can risk their top guy in a weight class... well.. I think Pride would accept the Fedor vs Arvloski fight.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Ahhh, its hilarious to go back and read this thread..............

[J-Luck]

Everyone seems to forget that BJJ has some takedowns. Falling on concrete hurts, no one in his right mind will pull his opponent into his guard on concrete. But if you end up in a position you know how to escape, he doesn't. You can also throw in a few submissions which work in no gi and wont cause harm.

Don't bash a good art because something else works better in other situations. And don't forget, most fights end up on the ground and lots of fights involve headlocks and holds which can be escaped from EASILY when you take BJJ.

Judo, wrestling, and Bjj are all good to know in a real fight. I'm not sure if anyone has ever seen someone slammed on concrete... but I have... and it's not pretty. And for those who think it wouldnt be that bad, try getting slammed on... a harder mat than you're used to training on. Not even cement. It'll change your views. A good, solid takedown or throw on cement, asphalt, tile, stone will end the fight. Either instantly, or by putting the recipient in a severely disadvantagious position.