Interesting little article on Hughes v. Gracie

[lei_kung]

Here is an interesting perspective on the Hughes vs. Gracie fight. Personally I agree with this perspective. (As of 5/31/06 it is the second article down)

http://www.grapplearts.com/weblog.htm

Lei Kung

[rev.jc]

yes it is a wrestling move!

Has this author ever seen an amature wrestling bout? 8 year olds are drilled to the rear mount position on thier first practices, it is the primary 2 point takedown taught. sorry, I agree matt learned some BJJ stuff, but that was textbook folkstyle.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

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[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Not really, when youre in the top position in wrestling, you try to roll/push your opponent from side to side, to get him on his back. Besides, a wrestler(in match) should not throw his legs in unless his opp. is already broken down to their side. But it doesnt matter whether its a wrestling or BJJ move, its a grappling move, with the BJJ stradegy.

I have a question. What was the exact name of the submission that Matt put Royce into????
Was it a Keylock armbar? Straight keylock? Kimura? What was it, exactly?

[JkD187]

Not really, when youre in the top position in wrestling, you try to roll/push your opponent from side to side, to get him on his back. Besides, a wrestler(in match) should not throw his legs in unless his opp. is already broken down to their side. But it doesnt matter whether its a wrestling or BJJ move, its a grappling move, with the BJJ stradegy.

I have a question. What was the exact name of the submission that Matt put Royce into????
Was it a Keylock armbar? Straight keylock? Kimura? What was it, exactly?

They call it the 180 degree armbar.

[J-Luck]

Not really, when youre in the top position in wrestling, you try to roll/push your opponent from side to side, to get him on his back. Besides, a wrestler(in match) should not throw his legs in unless his opp. is already broken down to their side. But it doesnt matter whether its a wrestling or BJJ move, its a grappling move, with the BJJ stradegy.

I have a question. What was the exact name of the submission that Matt put Royce into????
Was it a Keylock armbar? Straight keylock? Kimura? What was it, exactly?

He can throw legs in whenever, so long as the match has been taken to the ground and he's on top.

[SamuraiGuy]

As far as I'm concerend,

Hughes went for a Kimura, then switched to a straight armbar, (you can use your arms to armbar people), when Royce straightened his arm.

[rev.jc]

You defenitly can throw legs while your opponent is up, and unless he is a great gramby roller and you are not in deep it will break him down, done it lots of times, you can work some great pinning combinations from hear including a great reverse grapevine.

when I was a junior in high school the coahes son used to shoot a half nelson from this position and take it sideward for backpoints.

But o.k it was a grappling move, wrestling is grappling my point was it was somthing that can come from a wrestlers training as well.