Goodbye BJJ...

[OmaPlata]

haha! BJJ practioners have huge problems with their egos, if anyone says that thier art isn't super duper invincible and its da bomb then they go on a rampage. To be honest, I LOVE TO SUCK BJJ GUYS COCKS, THEY ARE SO BIG AND TASTY, but I dont like to fight them.

Ok dont be TOO upfront, geezzzzzzzzzz

[Aethyr]

How often does anyone truly face a life or death situtation where there are weapons or multiple attackers?

bOoRadley, your training is just as useless as bjj is in this situation. To believe and train that you alone can be effective against multiple armed attackers is setting you up for a beating. Will it give you a 0.0001% better chance than bjj? Maybe. But you now have a 50% greater belief you can win, which is far more dangerous, IMHO.

Secondly, I've only seen multi-on-one type fights around parties, bars and schools. No life or death. But I guarantee you if you go for the jugular and gouge eyes and attempt to kill them, they WILL overpower you out of rage and turn it into a life or death situation where there was none.

I trained briefly with Roy Harris a long long time ago and he offers bjj as well as JKD, and he told quite a few stories of multi-on-fewer type fights. One story: He said that the outnumbered guys were 2 bjj guys(students). One RNC'd one of the attackers, but the RNC'd guy woke up and ended up knocking out the bjj guys from behind, by surprise and eventually overpowered the remaining bjj guy. The bjj guy could have soccer stomped the unconscious guy and taken him out completely, but didn't. The most serious injury - knock out. No life or death. He said, the moral of his story - get the hell out, not try to kill them. His JKD multi-on-one strategy was to maneuver an attacker away so that eventually, you could escape - not try to fight them.

It just seems that you prefer striking over grappling. There's nothing wrong with that. There are grapplers and strikers in the world, each dangerous in their own right. Chuck Liddell is a purple belt in bjj. Thats at least 4-5 years of gay bjj training between sweaty guys legs.

[BoarSpear]

BoarSpear, you are either being a stupid a$$ troll or you smoke a little too much herb.

I NEVER said DEFENDO was a shit sandwhich, quote away if you wish . . . actually, let me do it for you:



It is the "commercial package" that is being referred to as a "shit sandwhich". The accusation I made was that if someone was telling him that BJJ is not effective then they were selling him a "shit sandwhich" and then making the fraudulent claim that what they were selling was "DEFENDO".

If you reword It enough ways maybe someone will believe you huh?

Squirm away, I really couldnt care less.

[OmaPlata]

If you reword It enough ways maybe someone will believe you huh?
When I tried BJJ the one time, Omaplata tossed me around and showed me how dominant an art it really is, you should roll with a great BJJ like Omaplata, he is awesome !
Squirm away, I really couldnt care less.

Thanks Boar but dont tell them Im that great, they wont stop asking me questions as it is.

[kuk sool won]

What is this thing called a soccer stomp Aethyr? Im not sure but there aren't too many instances where stomping is needed in 'soccer' or football as sane people tend to call it.

As for multi scraps, do any of you go out and drink, generally socialize in a potentially hostal enviorment? I do, i don't live in a particually dangerous area, crime is relatively low as are fights. But in the last 2 weeks, i can recall 5 instances of multi person fights and dozens of potential ones. Im not just talking 4 on 2's im talking 8 on 5's, 2 on 1's you name it, its happened. Now when you are on the floor making your opponent scream in pain or pass out, theres always going to be another right next to you, now he isn't going to watch and wait his turn, hes going to dive in there giving all the kicks or soccer stomps he can dish out. Its NEVER good to go to the floor in a fight, thats why in these instances, if you have to attack, strike, make an opening and leg it.

[OmaPlata]

Its NEVER good to go to the floor in a fight, thats why in these instances, if you have to attack, strike, make an opening and leg it.

Its fine if its one on one, if its more than that I pull out the heat.

[jubaji]

Now when you are on the floor making your opponent scream in pain or pass out, theres always going to be another right next to you, now he isn't going to watch and wait his turn, hes going to dive in there giving all the kicks or soccer stomps he can dish out.

But if you are on your feet that "another right next to you" won't touch you, right?

[Tom Yum]

.it's the same close quarter combat training that Navy Seals, FBI, CIA, etc take. And we rarely "stand around" we train to exhaustion and learn to fight under extremely challenging circumstances, not laying on our back on a comfy mat...

How are you going to choke someone out when his friends are kicking you in the head? How are you going to defend against weapons if you NEVER train to fight someone with a weapon? face it Bjj is weak in real life scenarios...just admit it, you know it's true. You don't have to be ashamed...after all it works just dandy in the octagon with rules and a referee

Uhh, from what I've read (and that doesn't mean it holds true) each agency or team has their own CQC formula and even then, their expertise is not CQC - its being able to use various pistols, rifles, fully automatic weapons and explosives.

Beyond that each agency/team specializes in something different like underwater demo, light infantry, negotiating and training allies, rescuing captured POWs etc.

Even then, they use strategies to get where they need to and different tactics to make those strategies work....

Again, from what I've heard BJJ is an art studied among alot of agencies/teams amongst arts.

That is all.

[kuk sool won]

But if you are on your feet that "another right next to you" won't touch you, right?

They would but i think, I THINK you can punch and kick harder when your standing, and I think, I THINK its easier run away when your standing and i think, I THINK, its quite hard to get two people into sleeper holds and keep them there at the same time.

[Aethyr]

Its fine if its one on one, if its more than that I pull out the heat.

Exactly. If its more than 1 and your life truly is in danger and you can't run away, you will only survive if you have a gun and they don't.

kuk - whether you're on the ground or standing, if you're outnumbered, you're in danger- regardless of whether you're on your feet or not. If you're trying to fight them because your art teaches you "techniques" to do so, then you are as vulnerable as the bjj'er on the ground about to get stomped. Whether bjj or defenso or krav maga - you can't win, run away at the earliest opportunity (or pull out the heat and hope they don't do the same).

[jubaji]

at least know that you don't know what you don't know

They would but i think, I THINK you can punch and kick harder when your standing, and I think, I THINK its easier run away when your standing and i think, I THINK, its quite hard to get two people into sleeper holds and keep them there at the same time.

In other words, you base your presumptions on what your training focuses on.

[kuk sool won]

In other words, you base your presumptions on what your training focuses on.

in other words, you are presuming that i only train in KSW, which does include ground work btw, i do some training in Judo too. You are also presuming that my opinions are totally bias towards the arts in which I train in, thats hypocritical in itself. Im very fond of ground work but only an idiot would think they fare a better chance on their arse than on thier feet against multiple attacks.

My favourite part was where you didn't actually address anything i said


oh and seriously, you think a gun is the only option?! I beleive i can take on multiple attacks, i have done, know PLENTY of people who has done so. You're adding to the equation i.e. life threatening position.

[jubaji]

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oh and seriously, you think a gun is the only option?! I beleive i can take on multiple attacks, i have done, know PLENTY of people who has done so. You're adding to the equation i.e. life threatening position.

When did I mention guns?

[jubaji]

in other words, you are presuming that i only train in KSW, which does include ground work btw, i do some training in Judo too. You are also presuming that my opinions are totally bias towards the arts in which I train in, thats hypocritical in itself. Im very fond of ground work but only an idiot would think they fare a better chance on their arse than on thier feet against multiple attacks.

I'm responding to your words, nothing more. If your words betray a particular bias that you don't like being judged on, that's your problem.

[jubaji]

They would but i think, I THINK you can punch and kick harder when your standing,

Here's the bias that your options are limited to punching and kicking...