Goodbye BJJ...

[jubaji]

Now, now girls, don't fight

I wont respond any further to this NEWB who is just screaming for attention, youve been owned BITCH, end of story faggot

Who are you kidding? The two of you were made for each other!

[kuk sool won]

4,436 posts of sarcasm and insults, keep it up Jubaji

[white devil]

4,436 posts of sarcasm and insults, keep it up Jubaji

keep him going..deluxe forums host said we all get a free t-shirt when jubaji gets at 5000..it will soon be one for the history books

[bOoRadley]

Your intellect is on par with a mules....

Your vernacular is on par with a 1st grader in special ed...

You cant beat even a white belt in person...

youre a gay...

youre a newb....

you like men...

I can twist you up...

Ouch!

Wow you really brought out the big guns! Oh boy I sure feel owned from all those zingers! You're absolutely right I am no match for your rapier wit! I probably shouldn't mess with you because you're real bad dude! I bet you even have a tattoo and rims that spin! Well I guess I'll go crawl under my rock now in my rental apartment and jerk off to girls you would find unattractive

[EmptyneSs]

What the **** are you implying about me? Are you saying I'm gay, or are you saying I'm a perv...or both???

I have a real problem when it comes to sexual predators and molesters.
I don't, however, have a problem with homosexuals, or in training with some...in fact, I think that there is a lot of stuff that is affirming of their lifestyle in the MA's.

By the way...the wrestling sex fantasy bullshit goes for straight guys too...I'm sure you've seen ads for "catfight" vids in combat sport magazines...is that okay and this isn't? Why the double standard??

I'm straight, by the way.

you did mention you once wanted to be a priest .....

and the problem isnt with the fantasy. people have all kinds of fantasies, whatever. the problem is the mat or gym were people are trying to learn and train isnt really the most appropriate place to endluge in them. do that shit at home, it has no place in the dojo or gym. its just like the guys i see at the healthclub, always trying to talk to women. everytime you finish an exercise and go to get a drink of water you see this douche talking to a different girl trying to pull some shit. its a douchebag move.

and if i was ever sexually assaulted on the mat the way the dude on that webpage was doing, my mt skills would make an appearance real fast.

[Garland]

[QUOTE=EmptyneSs its a douchebag move.

and if i was ever sexually assaulted on the mat the way the dude on that webpage was doing, my mt skills would make an appearance real fast.[/QUOTE]

No doubt...

[kuk sool won]

Im a douchebag then, least i pull

[Garland]

Im a douchebag then, least i pull

ewwwwwwww...sickass.

[sparks110972]

bjj is a contact sport not a combat art, i love rolin on the ground but in a combat situation if i dont want to go there then noone will get me there. when you have rules and points its a sport, plain and simple. it doesnt matter what form we do as long as we are happy doing it and when we are not happy its time to move on. cqb is a small part of what i do, so is groundwork and all i will say is i a fight cqb will beat a roler simply because with cqb there are no rules.
yours in budo
sparks

[DJColdfusion]

bjj is a contact sport not a combat art, i love rolin on the ground but in a combat situation if i dont want to go there then noone will get me there. when you have rules and points its a sport, plain and simple. it doesnt matter what form we do as long as we are happy doing it and when we are not happy its time to move on. cqb is a small part of what i do, so is groundwork and all i will say is i a fight cqb will beat a roler simply because with cqb there are no rules.
yours in budo
sparks

In combat there are no rules and just because you agree to compete by a set of rules during a competition doesn't mean you would do the same on the "street".

I've been in the "arts" for twenty years now and I've had two coaches that you could refer to as "CQB" both of whom made a MASSIVE impact on the way I train and actually on what I train as well.

One was a former force Recon Marine who spent the last couple of years as a teenager (and into his early twentys)fighting in Vietnam. The guy was incredible with weapons and could throw damn near anything sharp into damn near anything else and make it stick. He used to throw ten penny nails and make them partially penetrate a 2X4 at 40ft. He also trained Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu.

The second was Mike Brewer, a member of this forum, and I can't emphasize enough how lucky this forum is to have someone with Mike's level of expertise and experience as a member of the board. He is easily one of the most knowledgeable instructors I have ever trained with and he can actually apply that knowledge, which is much more rare than you might think. But guess what, Mike trained BJJ and Muay Thai as well. I don't think he rolls much anymore due to some injuries but the SOB has choked my chunky a$$ out on a couple of occasions.

BJJ is an extremely effective part of the overall combatives picture. Some people train in it exclusively, which is fine for them. Some people never bother to investigate the selfdefense portion of the art, which is their choice and I would never condemn them for it. But you cannot insinuate that BJJ is not effective or that it is "unrealistic" on "the street" because BJJ has proven its effectiveness over and over and over again. The inclusion of BJJ in the Army Combatives program is proof of that.

And what would stop an expert ground fighter from fighting dirty in a selfdefense situation?

Be like water, then add dirt.

[sparks110972]

geting choked out or choking out someone is nothing to be proud of, every time it hapens you suffer minor brain damage and anyone who does it is just plain irresponsible. i am not having a go at the bjja i also do ju jutsu(clasical) and have trained with some very reputable instructors from this organisation. i also have a lot more than 20 years experience under my belt and a lot more than just ju jutsu. you should take what was said in its proper context and objectively, this is the way martial artists are supposed to act not rashly and aggresively!


one can be a big fish in a small pond but if you wish to see the world you must learn to swim alongside sharks.

[Garland]

geting choked out or choking out someone is nothing to be proud of, every time it hapens you suffer minor brain damage and anyone who does it is just plain irresponsible. i am not having a go at the bjja i also do ju jutsu(clasical) and have trained with some very reputable instructors from this organisation. i also have a lot more than 20 years experience under my belt and a lot more than just ju jutsu. you should take what was said in its proper context and objectively, this is the way martial artists are supposed to act not rashly and aggresively!


one can be a big fish in a small pond but if you wish to see the world you must learn to swim alongside sharks.

Um...no offense...but you're not going to be an asshole are you? Because right now...you're coming across as a prick. Not trying to be mean, but...you seem like a hypocrite douchebag...claiming to be objective, and then plugging your own philosophies and art, and then boasting about you're experience...I can kind of imagine you being a scornful fella...and then popping off a goofy quote like that shit at the end...???

DJ was just trying to illustrate his opinion, and make notice of two people that exemplify it...you're being an asshole...and I'm looking at it objectively.

yours in brujo,
Garland.

[Penance]

every time it hapens you suffer minor brain damage and anyone who does it is just plain irresponsible.

This is just plain untrue.

[DJColdfusion]

geting choked out or choking out someone is nothing to be proud of, every time it hapens you suffer minor brain damage and anyone who does it is just plain irresponsible. i am not having a go at the bjja i also do ju jutsu(clasical) and have trained with some very reputable instructors from this organisation. i also have a lot more than 20 years experience under my belt and a lot more than just ju jutsu. you should take what was said in its proper context and objectively, this is the way martial artists are supposed to act not rashly and aggresively!


one can be a big fish in a small pond but if you wish to see the world you must learn to swim alongside sharks.

Even if the choking thing were true, which I have never seen any evidence of any sort that would suggest that it is, being choked out is considerably less dangerous than being knocked out. Claiming that its irresponsible is a failure to recognize that it is a violent activity as all realistic martial arts training is and as practicioners we have to accept the dangers inherent in the arts we love. And the responsibility for getting choke out lies with the individual being choked since they have the ability to end the session at any time.

BJJ gives the martial artist the opportunity to deliver a limited resonse that can scale as the situation demands. Your opponent decides if they want their arm broken or if they want to walk away peacefully. Unlike most striking arts, including Muay Thai (which I love), the first option is rarely to strike someone. Jiu-Jitsu is as gentle as your attacker will allow it to be.

And if you didn't guess, or have failed to pay attention to this thread, BJJ is not the only thing I study.

I'm not sure how I have acted rashly or aggressively though.

And while I'm not a little guy, I am definitely not a "big fish", this place is not a little pond, and the people I train with are easily "sharks".

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Garland, I'm still mad that you're moving to Thailand . . . don't talk to me!
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and come train at the UCTC if you get a chance. The Thai coach is this little 115pnd fireball that had 120 fights in Thailand (110 wins by KO) very old school, repeat it until its right, and a blast as a coach. The Jiu-Jitsu is absolutely out of this world and right now the classes are smallish so its a great time to get in there.

[DJColdfusion]

This is just plain untrue.

If it were true, how often have you seen people get choked out in class or in competition? Seriously? Its extremely rare.

And in a selfdefense situation it is much safer for the assailant and does MUCH less long term harm if they are choked out as compared to being knocked out.

Jiu-Jitsu is the gentle way. You can pretend like your in the Army special forces all you want but that doesn't make you a soldier and it doesn't mean you'll be ready when the sh*t hits the fan. Like I said earlier, combat is chaos and you do not know what is going to happen.

Train for what happens most and you will be able to handle most of what happens